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    Gizmo’s solve of the page 2/5 symbols was pretty interesting. I would have been willing to buy into it, except for how he used a pattern in the page 2 symbols to justify setting a value for the shapes. There are several unique patterns within the symbols that I believe we need to use. I believe his use of that specific pattern is out of context.
    There are 4 unique patterns that are found throughout the shape symbols that are used to re-align and combine the symbols. There are at least 4 symbols per pattern, and each one has a very specific use. I have attached drawings of each pattern to help point them out.

    Pattern 1: The pentagons on page 2 are inverted. This is the only string where they are inverted. This is a hint that the whole string is upside down, and needs to be flipped around.
    Pattern2: 3 sets of double symbols in the center of the page 2 code strings. Double triangles, double moons, double drops. Double symbols in the patterns are pretty rare, but you don’t see them bunched together like this anywhere else. The fact that it counts down (3,2,1) would also tend to support this is intentional. There is a big oddity here. The triangle and the drops are paired in opposite orientation, however, the moons are not. If the pattern was consistent, you would have expected a left and right facing moon. It occurred to me that perhaps the reason for this is that half of the string is a mirror image. If you look at the background there are two globes that are essentially mirrors of each other touching in the center. If this is the case, then perhaps we are actually looking at 2 strings here instead of 1. The strings begin/end between the double moons.


    Patterns 3 and 4. Expanding our search out, I want to see what else is unusual about the shape patterns. One of the first things I noticed is the horizontal rectangles. There are only 2 of them. What is curious about them is that they are both centerpoints of an intersesting pattern of ABCBA. The illustration shows this concept a little better. I wanted to see if I could find this pattern anywhere else. There are actually 2 other cases of this. One is in one of the page 2 strings, and another was in the top string on page 5. Given that there is 1 on page 2, 2 in the center of the top string on page 5, and one of these patterns on the string at the bottom of page 5, it occured to me that this might be some kind of method to chain these strings together. Perhaps this is the way we are forming an eclipse. Each string is of varying length, so each one could represent the sun/moon/earth. When we divide up the page 2 strings, we are dividing up a 38 symbol string into two strings of 18 and 20 characters. They are, for all intents and purposes, our two moons. If I found a pattern of symbols in one of the moons that linked it to the earth and sun, then it would stand to reason that I would find a similar pattern in the other moon. Sure enough, there is indeed a similar pattern. This one is actually much more straight-forward. These are simply a repeating string of symbols in each string. 1 of the patterns is 6 symbols long, the other is 4. These are the ONLY times throughout all of the strings where a pattern or 4 or more symbols repeat.
    Eclipses: The next illustration shows how each of the strings line up when using the patterns. I have aligned them using both the rules of a solar eclipse and a lunar eclipse. What is very interesting about how this works out, is that in both solar eclipses, the patterns that link the earth and sun are not being “blocked” by the moon. In fact, their connecting patterns occur immediately before or after the moon string begins/ends. To my way of thinking, however corrupt that might be, that looks to be a pretty strong confirmer that this method is corrrect. There is technically another way you could align the symbols with the ABCBA pattern, but only the way I illustrated allows for that linking connection between the earth and sun in the solar eclipse.

    I strongly believe that the ONLY reason the shape symbols are oriented up/down/sideways is to enable these patterns. There are really only 6 base symbols. The question now becomes, “why did we align the symbols like this?”, which I will share some thoughts on that in my next post.
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    In trying to figure out “what now?” I was curious to see if there was one symbol that was different than all the rest. I wanted to take a quick inventory of how symbols had been manipulated to form patterns.
    Drops – Up/Down orientation in the dividing pattern on page 2
    Moon – mirrored moon in the dividing pattern on page 2
    Triangles – same as the drops
    Rectangles – turned sideways to identify the ABCBA pattern
    Pentagons – showed inversion on page 2
    Really, the hexagons are the only ones that have not appeared manipulated in any way.

    So let’s take a deeper look at the hexagons:
    6-sided
    There are 23 of them total.
    If I was to remove the hexagons from each of the “eclipses” I created, it would leave each eclipse with exactly 64 symbols.
    That is when I decided this was a good track. Page 58 in the book and the compass page both seem to be hinting at 32 point wheels. If I extracted the hexagons, I would have 32 pairs of symbols per eclipse. Better yet, they would range from 1-5, which, as crazy as it sounds, could be solved with the old Treasure Trove method.

    If anyone is not sold on the fact that the hexagons have a specific significance, then consider the following:

    Well begun is haFf done
    A good beginninW makes a good ending.
    Consider F and W’s positions in the alphabet. 6 and 23.

    Page 58. Everyone has noted the apple wheels and the 6 red hashes per wheel. What I haven’t seen anyone point out is that if you count the berries in the frames right around those apple wheels, there are 23 berries on either side.

    In the Book of spells on page 5, the WE in WE make work good is a W(23) and an upside down 6.

    Page 20 in the actual book. The corner circles, instead of showing 20, show 19 and 21. When you count the hexagons after you create the eclipses, they either have 19 or 21 hexagons, depending on which moon is used.

    So, again, why have I done this? I think these patterns are established to line up the hexagons in a specific pattern. I think they will be used to overlay onto a section of text to highlight specific letters. I really think page 58 is hugely significant. Not only is it showing the 32 point wheels, but the berries at the bottom are important too. Given the 6 RED hashes in the circles at the top, and the 23 berries, around those circles, the red berries at the bottom could indeed confirm a linear overlay of the hexagons, represent by the red berries, over some text. You would have to use an exact copy of the images in the book, line them up per the instructions above, then use a piece of tracing paper to circle the hexagons. I think the rest of the symbols per eclipse should be lined up in pairs of 2 around a 32 point circle, and use a 5x5 grid to solve for a letter. I probably have more questions about this theory than answers still, but I never did hit a roadblock with this idea other than the bankruptcy, so I feel very confident it is part of an overall solve

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    There is another possibility. There could be 7 symbols. The teardrop, crescent, triangle and pentagon can be flipped over or reflected to create it's pair. The horizontal and vertical rectangles are different. They require a 90 degree rotation. So if you flip the entire string over, the rectangles do not change. Therefore the 7 symbols would be teardrop, crescent, triangle, horizontal rectangle, vertical rectangle, pentagon and hexagon.

    With 7 symbols, 28 different pairs can be formed - enough to make the alphabet or enough to cover 24 clock positions.
    It is time. Time is it.

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    7 symbols would generate 49 possible combinations, not 28. If we are supposed to simply pair symbols, then it would almost have to use 5 base symbols. Anything else would generate either too many or too few pairs. In ATT, MS essentially gave the instructions on how to make the 5x5 grid in the poem. His description of "a code for infinity" makes me think he is using a similar cipher type, except instead of a box, he is using linked rings of symbols. If he were to encode the instructions or method of building this, it seems very plausible, at least to me, that we would encode it with a method that should be familiar to anyone who read the first book.

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    What I meant was that the order of the pairs does not matter. This kind of goes with flipping or rotating the string of symbols - you would not know or care which symbol comes first. for example 12 = 21. Here are the 28:

    11
    12 22
    13 23 33
    14 24 34 44
    15 25 35 45 55
    16 26 36 46 56 66
    17 27 37 47 57 67 77
    It is time. Time is it.

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    All the number stuff is neat but a little left brain for me..Did anyone else try taking certain passages one forward under it the same backwards and use the days of the week abbriviations on it to pull out the code letters? I'm a time star is...MW..who cares if Dar is no longer...There is a bigger puzzle with bragging rights that this book leads to..anyone else working on it? If you want to team up let me know. I'm going to ignore field clues right now as I think geocachers (myself included) have corrupted the clue field. I found this out the hard way when I stumbled into the middle of the ARG I Love Bees because I thought it was treasure trove related..sticking to books and the written word for now.
    P.S.- I Love Rubies... does anyone else?

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