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    Default The Sun, Moon, and Earth Wheels

    Greetings on a soggy Tuesday afternoon in the Bayou State of Louisiana!

    I don't know if anyone piddles around with the puzzle anymore, but after all this time I think I've cracked the decoding mechanism and understand how the clues were supposed to come together.

    I need a cleaned-up copy of the dot code to work upon if anyone still has one lying around--I'm referring to that chunk of code on the 'Summon a Ring' page in the spell book.

    The short version is that it's three wheels: a sun wheel, moon wheel, and earth wheel.

    If you recall from 'A Treasure's Trove', the author gave us a generic, blank copy of his eventual decoding mechanism--the 5 x 5 grid--within the illustrations of his book.

    He did the same thing here.

    The blank version of these wheels is a circle with a big '+' in the middle of it that's illustrated as windows in the book.

    The directions contained within the hidden poem, the ambigrams, and the 'directions' of the compass as well as the nature of the HBC symbols were meant to be the clues to solve his puzzle.

    The sun wheel has four circles placed around it, the moon wheel has four crescents placed around it, and the earth wheel has four alphabet letters placed around it: NSEW.

    I'd like to spend some time using these wheels to solve that Summon a Ring spell if anyone has the cleaned-up copy of it lying around.

    Thanks.

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    There's one here in the dar wiki

    http://tweleve.org/dar-wiki/22340-vi...tion-swap.html

    Bon chance!

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    Digitizer has some cleaned up pages too.

    Huge Block of Code Page

    Hope it goes well for you Doc.

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    Thanks, guys. Anneiam, those sheets are great for my weak eyes.

    I sent Garber*5 a private message to see if he has something similar for the cleaned-up version like TIM posted.

    I think this is gonna work.

    Thanks,

    Doc

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    Way to go, Doc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Thanks, guys. Anneiam, those sheets are great for my weak eyes.

    I sent Garber*5 a private message to see if he has something similar for the cleaned-up version like TIM posted.

    I think this is gonna work.

    Thanks,

    Doc
    Doc, sent you back a PM.
    Will check tonight for the files.

    G5

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    I got the message, Garber.

    Might you have something along the lines included in the link that anneiam posted above? I had assumed you were the original author of that wonderful, printable worksheet since Digitizer named you as a source.

    I'm getting nearsighted, and I think it's time for bifocals--I have to take my glasses off and hold the print close to my eyes to make out the details of fine print.

    Bah.


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    Good early morning on this fine Sunday in the deep south of Louisiana!

    I wanted to pass along the logic behind what I think is the correct decoding mechanism for this puzzle. The final result looks logical, elegant, and and awfully Stadther-ish, all of which count towards the plus column in my book.

    First a statement of the problem:

    This is a game of opposites.

    Booger and Pook, light spells and dark spells, Zac and Ana, sun and moon, etc.

    The symbols of the HBC represent pairs of opposites:

    1. Suns and moons (circles and crescents)
    2. Filled-in symbols and open symbols
    3. Left crescents and right crescents
    4. Small symbols and large symbols
    5. Horizontal symbols and vertical symbols

    The puzzle is to figure out how to make sense of these various pairs of opposites.

    The answer is a decoding mechanism consisting of three wheels. Appropriately enough, the three wheels are a sun wheel, moon wheel, and an earth wheel.

    (It turned out that the positions of the symbols within a symbol clump represented pairs of opposites as well--top/bottom and left/right--but I'm getting the cart before the horse.)
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    THE CLUES

    1. The symbols consist of the 'HEST' language, and that was a clue in itself. It's a word puzzle:


    ................N.............
    ................o.............
    ................r..............
    ................t..............
    ................H..............
    W...e...s...T E...a...s...t
    ................S..............
    .................o.............
    .................u.............
    .................t..............
    .................h.............

    2. In 'A Treasure's Trove' (ATT), we were given a blank, generic copy of the decoding mechanism--a 5 x 5 grid--in the illustrations. I think he's done the same thing again by giving us a blank copy of the decoding mechanism in the illustrations: it's the large circle with a '+' in the middle of it shown as a window on pp. 41 and 101.

    3. As it should be, the clues are not difficult by themselves. It's putting them all together that's the hard part. For instance, there are three clues sitting in plain sight on the cover of the spell book:

    a. 'Light' is associated with the Sun, and 'Dark' is associated with the Moon.
    b. The Sun is illustrated as a circle, and the Moon is illustrated as a crescent.
    c. The Sun and Moon are depicted at opposite ends of a vertical axis.

    These were seen the first time we picked up the book, and they're completely worthless by themselves. It's akin to having three pieces of a 100-piece jigsaw puzzle that don't fit together. We can't tell what the overall picture is supposed to be.

    But they ARE pieces, and they're necessary to complete our jigsaw puzzle.

    4. As in ATT, the hidden poem contained important clues for the construction of the decoding mechanism. The clues for Dar were much broader than the ones for ATT. The business end of the hidden poem in Dar:

    Look inside yourself to see
    A code for infinity.

    'Inside yourself' was a reference to one's 'id'. Turning 'id' upside down gives us 'pi', which is the 'code for infinity'.

    Not the mathematical value for pi, but the geometrical definition: a circle divided by its diameter--a description of the circle with a big '+' in the middle of it.

    The poem was meant to point us towards 'pi' and the ambigrams. Pi is a clue about the physical construction of the wheels, and the ambigrams contain the clues to populate the wheels.

    5. Once we obtain the symbols to place upon the wheels, we need some sort of template to place the symbols in the appropriate spots on each wheel.

    And, where did he hide the 'directions' that would show us where to place these symbols around the three wheels?

    In plain sight.

    It's that blasted compass.

    It's used three times in three different ways--one for each wheel.

    a. Coordinate grid stuff: positives are located N and E, negatives are located S and W.
    b. Up, down, left, and right are equivalent to N, S, W, and E.
    c. Four alphabet letters of NSEW are placed around a wheel as depicted by the compass.
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    THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WHEELS

    Each wheel is a circle with a big '+' in it. Four symbols go around each wheel. As it turns out, appropriately enough, the sun wheel has circles around it, the moon wheel has crescents around it, and the earth wheel is a big 'earth' with an equator and a prime meridian.

    The three eclipse spells represent the three wheels, and each spell's ambigrams are clues to help populate the wheels and understand their function.

    The symbols are placed around each wheel according to the 'directions' of the reversed compass.

    1. The Sun Wheel. The 'Open Fairies Dark' spell contains the necessary ambigrams representing pairs of opposites: Light/Dark and Open/Close. It's a description of four circles: 'Light' is an open circle; 'Dark' is a filled-in circle. 'Open' is an open circle, 'Close' is a filled-in circle.

    These four circles are placed around the sun wheel according to the directions of the compass.

    The two filled-in circles are 'positive' and the two empty circles are 'negative'.

    Thus, we place the filled-in circles to the spots correlating to N and E and the open circles to the spots correlating to S and W.

    I'm scared this thing is gonna be THAT simple.

    2. The Moon Wheel. The 'Grow/Mold' eclipse spell contains the clue for the moon wheel, but that's for its function which I'll come to in a minute.

    For its construction, we have four crescents: up crescent, down crescent, left crescent, and right crescent. We place these four crescents around our moon wheel according to the directions of the compass again: N = up, S = down, E = right, and W = left.

    As you can see, as this wheel turns, the vertical axis will always be the 'smile' and the 'frown', and the horizontal axis will always be the left and right crescents.

    3. The Earth Wheel. The 'Life/Death' amibgram is the clue for the earth wheel.

    'LIFE' is an alphabet puzzle which tells us which symbols go around the earth wheel:

    L = 12th letter of the alphabet
    I = 9
    F = 6
    E = Backwards 3 (same as shown on the compass)

    12 - 9 - 6 - 3.

    It's NWSE on a compass, and it's those very alphabet letters we place on the earth wheel in the same placement as our reversed compass.

    In summary:

    Each wheel is a circle with a big '+' in it.

    1. The Sun Wheel has a filled-in circle on top, and an open circle on the bottom. It has a filled-in circle to the left and an empty circle on the right.

    2. The Moon Wheel has an up crescent at the top and a down crescent at the bottom. It also has a right-facing crescent on the left and a left-facing crescent on the right.

    3. The Earth Wheel has 'N' at the top, 'S' at the bottom, 'E' on the left and 'W' on the right.

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    THE FUNCTION OF THE WHEELS

    The purpose of the wheels is to assign polarities to the pairs of opposites in the HBC mentioned in the first part of this post.

    Each of the big '+' signs in the middles of the wheels represent a coordinate grid. As these wheels turn, whichever symbol is on top will be 'positive' and the bottom symbol will be 'negative'. Likewise, whichever symbol is on the right will be 'positive' and the symbol on the left will be 'negative' for that particular setting of the wheel.

    As shown by the arrows on the three eclipse spells, all three wheels will rotate clockwise.

    1. The Sun Wheel. The filled-in and open circles will rotate around the wheel.

    The vertical axis determines the polarity for 'Light' and 'Dark'. In other words, if the open circle is at the top and the filled-in circle is at the bottom, then 'Light' is positive and 'Dark' is negative for that particular setting.

    Likewise, if the filled-in circle is at the top and the empty circle is at the bottom, then 'Dark' is positive and 'Light' is negative for that particular setting.

    If you remember from the clues on the cover that I posted above, 'Light' is associated with the sun and 'Dark' is associated with the moon. In terms of the symbols of the HBC, the sun is associated with 'circles' and the moon is associated with 'crescents'.

    In this way, we'll count the total number of circles contained in a symbol clump as well as the total number of crescents. We'll use the Sun wheel to determine which is positive and which is negative for each symbol clump.

    The horizontal axis of the sun wheel determines 'Open' and 'Close'--open symbols and filled-in symbols. If the horizontal axis of the sun wheel has a filled-in circle on the left and an empty circle on the right, then filled-in symbols are 'negative' and open symbols are 'positive' for that particular symbol clump.

    (I hope this is making sense. I wish I could draw pictures and show them in the post. 'A picture is worth a thousand words'.)

    2. The Moon Wheel. The vertical axis contains the 'smile' and the 'frown'. These correspond to 'Grow' and 'Mold'. In terms of the symbols of the HBC, 'Grow' is 'Large' symbols and 'Mold' is small symbols.

    In other words, then the 'frown' is on top and the 'smile' is on the bottom, then 'Small' symbols will be positive and 'Large' symbols will be negative. When the wheel turns and the 'smile' is on top and the 'frown' is on the bottom, then 'Large' symbols will be positive and 'Small' symbols will be negative.

    The Horizontal axis is self-explanatory. It's the left and right crescents. Whichever crescent is on the right of the moon wheel will be positive, and the other one on the left side of the wheel will be negative.

    3. The Earth Wheel. N/S represents 'vertical' in the HBC and E/W represents 'horizontal' in the symbols of the HBC.

    As the earth wheel turns, sometimes N/S will come to rest in the up/down position in the wheel and E/W will be in the left/right position. Other times, N/S will rest in the left/right position and E/W will be in the up/down position of the wheel.

    Whichever axis rests in the up/down position of the wheel is 'positive'. Whichever axis rests in the left/right position is 'negative'. This is how we determine the polarities for 'horizontal' and 'vertical' in the HBC.

    Finally, the positions of the symbols themselves inside a symbol clump have polarities as well as determined by this wheel. Whichever letter is on top of the earth wheel is 'positive' and whichever letter is on the bottom of the wheel is 'negative'. Likewise, whichever letter is on the right of the wheel is 'positive' and the letter on the left of the wheel is 'negative'.

    We'll count the number of symbols located in the top half of a symbol clump and the bottom half of a symbol clump. We'll assign polarities according to the earth wheel's settings. In the same fashion, we'll count the number of symbols located in the left half of a symbol clump and the right half of a symbol clump and again assign polarities according to the setting of the earth wheel.

    I hope this makes some modicum of sense. In practice, it's not going to be very difficult.

    In summary:

    The settings of each wheel is used to assign polarities to pairs of opposites in the symbols of the HBC.

    1. The Sun Wheel:
    a. Vertical axis = circles and crescents
    b. Horizontal axis = filled-in and open symbols

    2. The Moon Wheel:
    a. Vertical axis = Small and large symbols
    b. Horizontal axis = Left and right crescents

    3. The Earth Wheel:
    a. Vertical axis = positive and horizontal axis = negative for the 'Vertical' symbols and 'Horizontal' symbols of the HBC
    b. Positional opposites: top of a symbol clump/bottom of a symbol clump and left side of a symbol clump/right side of a symbol clump
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    CONVERTING THE SYMBOLS

    If you've made it this far, I hope you realize that it appears the symbols of the HBC are being converted to integers.

    We'll use these three wheels to simply make a sum for each symbol clump in the HBC.

    At this point, I don't know if it's +/- or 1's and 0's. Regardless, I can see how these three wheels are capable of converting the complicated appearing symbol clumps into something fairly simple.

    Garber5 has kindly provided a printable worksheet that my weak eyes can use. Can you post a link or simply post them here, Garber, in case anyone else wants to look at this?

    Keep the faith,

    Doc

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    Very nice, Doc

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