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    Is Michael Stadther (MS) going to be a cruel person and not disclose the solutions to the puzzle?

    I always gave MS the benefit of doubt, even after reading the truth in the Bankruptcy filings.




    Michael Stadther,

    Please post the solutions.
    Prove to me that greed was not a flaw in your character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodhunting View Post
    Is Michael Stadther (MS) going to be a cruel person and not disclose the solutions to the puzzle?

    I always gave MS the benefit of doubt, even after reading the truth in the Bankruptcy filings.

    Michael Stadther,

    Please post the solutions.
    Prove to me that greed was not a flaw in your character.

    Let me get this straight.

    If Mike doesnít post his solutions you will deem him a cruel person. Furthermore, you ask him to prove that he doesn't possess a greedy character by posting his solutions. Did I forget to mention that youíre asking for these solutions nearly three months before the published official end date of the contest. Also, regardless of the bankruptcy filings or sale of the prizes, no one has officially ended this hunt.

    Are you serious with your request?

    First of all, Iíve got no clue why you have this idea that you are entitled to see the solutions posted. Just because you've probably spent countless hours searching high and low for the answers, it doesn't mean that you are entitled to be given what you can not find for yourself.

    Let me apologize if I seem to be coming down on you specifically. It is not my intention to single you out on this issue as Iíve seen a lot of people throughout my travels on the forums that seem to share your thoughts on this.

    More often than Iíd care to admit, I even succumb to this feeling of entitlement because I've put in a lot of work.

    I mean, who wouldnít want all the answers?

    Letís do a reality check.

    There is NOTHING in the official rules that says Mike will disclose the solutions today, tomorrow or ever for that matter. There is nothing in the rules about the contest participants ever having access to the solutions.

    To the contrary rule 5 says: YOU MUST KEEP YOUR SOLUTIONS TO THE PUZZLES CONFIDENTIAL. It doesnít say CONFIDENTIAL until after the end date. It says CONFIDENTIAL. Perhaps the winners will even need to sign a confidentiality agreement in order to claim their prize.

    Reading the rules, it seems to me that Mike had no intention of ever revealing solutions. In my opinion, the only way to ever know a solution is through hard work coupled with a bit of luck. Anything Mike chooses to disclose in the future, I'd consider a bonus.

    As far as I'm concerned, the only people who have a reasonable gripe here are those who feel they have tried to redeem their legitimate solutions yet have had no response. On second thought, even those people have nothing to complain about just yet. You see, rule 5 also states: Sponsor reserves the right not to confirm the verification of winners until after the End Date.

    When all is said and done, according to rules hereís what we are entitled to.
    Official rule 12: After the end date of the Treasure Hunt, the winners will be published on the website.

    That seems like a rather difficult task with the website being gone and all. That being said I somehow believe that everything regarding this hunt will soon resurrect just like Ana did after the Reversi Luna spell was recited.

    So folks, if you still believe in Mike's character, then youíd better get back to work finding those solutions if there is any chance that your name will be published on the list of winners when the website returns.

    If good fortune smiles upon us, maybe your name will be right next to mine.

    Keep the faith Trovers.

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    Well. the Alchemist Dar website, Alchemistdar, is back up, sort of. Very odd name for a website unless it has clues for or is otherwise somehow connected to the hunt, I'd say. See comments on the Alchemist Dar Backup site:
    Alchemistdar Backup Forum • View topic - Happy Anniversary!!.

    Also, what is on atreasurestrove.com could imply that the outcome of ATT is a mystery. Again, odd website name unless it is somehow connected to something with that name.
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    Alchemistdar says it's "Just another Wordpress weblog", and there is a link to wordpress.org there.

    I also got a Google alert for this page: A Treasures Trove Collectors Hardcover Edition by Michael Stadther Ė A Treasures Trove A Fairy Taile About Real Treasure For Parents And Children Of All Ages ę Get Best Deals And Offers!. The original link in the e-mail was quite different and indicated this was a wordpress.com page, but the link changes when I preview or post my reply.

    Thus Wordpress seems to be involved with both ATT and Dar. Can this mean anything for the hunts, or is this just routine web activity?
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    I got another "Michael Stadther" Google web alert late yesterday, for this Myspace page: Authors Revealed: Michael Stadther: Secrets of the Alchemist Dar Video by Simon & Schuster - MySpace Video. It's the talk he gave just before Dar came out, and this was only recently posted on Myspace, on October 2. Perhaps this is a subtle way of starting to let us know that the Dar hunt is still alive -- or maybe I'm just not familiar enough with Myspace to know whether this might be so or not.
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    I'm not trying to burst your bubble, anneiam, but the contest was over when The Treasure Trove was forced into bankruptcy.
    That was back in 07/27/2007.

    The rings have been sold off through the bankruptcy court.
    That was on 09/16/2009.

    All the rings were sold for $400,000 dollars.
    And MS got his percentage of the proceeds.

    Anyone that would've solved the puzzle (past), or solve the puzzle (present): gets nothing.

    I don't know why you're having a problem understanding what's going on, nor do I care.
    And if you think this contest is still ongoing and the rules of the contest are still applicable: my advice for you to get some help.

    My opinion about MS stands!

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    I have not been here for awhile. I had hoped since the final date has passed, maybe he would just post the solution. Anyways, I saw the clue, hest is english. Hest in english means promise, command, among other things. Command like ten commandments in the ark. Malic like malice means bad. So malic hest translates as bad promise. Did he promise a solution. Is it bad. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodhunting View Post
    I'm not trying to burst your bubble, anneiam, but the contest was over when The Treasure Trove was forced into bankruptcy.
    That was back in 07/27/2007.

    The rings have been sold off through the bankruptcy court.
    That was on 09/16/2009.

    All the rings were sold for $400,000 dollars.
    And MS got his percentage of the proceeds.

    Anyone that would've solved the puzzle (past), or solve the puzzle (present): gets nothing.

    I don't know why you're having a problem understanding what's going on, nor do I care.
    And if you think this contest is still ongoing and the rules of the contest are still applicable: my advice for you to get some help.

    My opinion about MS stands!

    Goodhunting,

    I'm still having trouble trying to figure out where you got the impression that the solutions to the puzzles would be released after the end date. Perhaps you should have spent more time reading the rules and less time working on the hunt. You seem to hold fast to a belief that you are entitled to the solutions just because you participated in this hunt and the official end date has passed.

    You're right, I do need help. I can't seem to figure out where your feelings of entitlement are rooted. I can't help but notice that you have yet to address this point.

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    Page 117 Official Rules

    3: Details:__________________________________________ ___________. "Solutions will be revealed after the End Date, either on the web site or in a subsequent publication."

    Sounds pretty straight forward to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anneiam View Post


    Goodhunting,

    I'm still having trouble trying to figure out where you got the impression that the solutions to the puzzles would be released after the end date. Perhaps you should have spent more time reading the rules and less time working on the hunt. You seem to hold fast to a belief that you are entitled to the solutions just because you participated in this hunt and the official end date has passed.

    You're right, I do need help. I can't seem to figure out where your feelings of entitlement are rooted. I can't help but notice that you have yet to address this point.

    Anneiam,

    I donít understand why you canít comprehend the rules of the contest were terminated when Treasure Trove was placed into bankruptcy?

    Youíre saying that even though the rights of the contest transferred to the bankruptcy trustee, the contest rules are still applicable?
    Nonsense!

    The bankruptcy trustee shut Treasure Trove down.
    That means everything about the contest ceased to exist.
    Including: the rules of the contest!

    Damn!
    Don't you understand the rights to everything was transferred to the BK court?
    And the BK court liquidated the company assets?

    If you canít understand the basics of business law: how are you going to understand bankruptcy law?

    And when you throw out the roots of your argument (contest rules) Ė youíre left with nothing in your argument.

    My advice is to go pay an attorney and let the attorney tell you the facts of life.

    MS received 50% of the sale proceeds when Treasure Trove was liquidated.
    MS has walked away and left everyone holding the bag.
    That tells me: MS is a POS.

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