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    I decided to take another look this past weekend at the book after MS shared his pseudo-hints to see if they provided any different perspective. He seemed to emphasize the passage on page 103. I have always felt that the passage refers to the shape symbols and not the HCB because the page number and number of shape symbols are the same. After reading beyond just the sentence he provided, I think I figured out what our first step was supposed to be.

    1. The story emphasizes the secret is light.
    2. The Light spell provided in the book has you hold up a page to the light to make out the words way, equation, obey, and motion.
    3. The ink stains on the light spell page are identical to the ones on the Greate Foreste page.
    4. The very first "extra" clue is the method of holding a page up to the light to get the message that you don't have to leave home.
    5. On page 1 of the book, there is a swirl symbol. The other swirl symbols are located nearby the shape strings.
    6. A good ending makes a good beginning. Consider the order of the spells in the book. First you have chant spells (crevasse, descend, arise), then eclipse spells, then chant spells (the HCB), then the Light spell. If the book began with a light spell, the order would be mirrored (L,C,E,C,L)

    These observations have led me to the conclusion that the page 2 shape symbols aren't to be viewed directly, but rather they should be seen by holding page 1 up to a light, thereby reversing their direction (I believe those symbols will represent the moon when compared to the other strings, so this really is a luna reversi). When you place those symbols in reverse order and compare them to the top line of symbols on page 5, you will see that 6 of them "reflect" each other (see attachment).

    Anyway, if anyone still wants to find a solution just for the satisfaction of it, I hope this helps. I think we have to work through the spells in a specific order. I think the way the book works, you have to work towards the center, then back out.
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    Very interesting

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    Very interesting.

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    There were theories to flip upside down the sets on page 5, before, but i don't think this overlap (or coalescence?) was spotted. If you could get the third set overlapping too then i'd be really interested.

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    I had posted some stuff a while back about how there were several patterns in the shape codes. Now that I have figured out this stuff, I believe these are all "reflection" patterns. I have attached another image showing the reflection patterns. There are two types that I have seen. One type is like the one I just posted where the symbols simply reflect another set of symbols. The others are sort of self-reflecting. There are 4 cases where you see a 5 symbol pair that has a pattern of ABCBA. I am a lot more convinced there is something to this now because as I mentioned before, I think the spells in the book are in the same order (Light, Chant, Eclipse, Chant, Light). I have attempted to color code these.

    There are two in particular that I found curious. The first is one of the patterns underlined in red. 4 symbols repeat each other between the 2 page 5 strings(pentagon, drop drop hex). But they don't mirror each other. The other are the symbols that I overlined in green. Going out from the moon, there is a similar pattern going out. I actually think there is a lot these symbols are telling us, but I will save for another post. My point is that I think this is a reflection point between the two moons, and these are actually two strings. If you look at the background of page 2, it seems to be mirrored vertically. Likewise, I think page 5 is also mirrored, but horizontally. If you inverted the bottom set of symbols, then those symbols would then mirror.

    So, conclusions:
    1. There are actually 4 code strings, not 3, because the page 2 string is divided between the moons.
    2. Each string represents a member of an eclipse, based on length. Once you divide the page 2 string, that makes two moons. The top string on page 5 is the Earth, the bottom string is the sun. We will make both a solar and lunar eclipse. You will use a different moon for each, which will provide the variance between the two.
    3. You line up the strings by reflection pattern. Once you divide the moon, one side has a ABCBA pattern, and the other has the reflection between the strings, so there will be a way to line things up using both types of patterns.
    4. The orientation of the symbols (up down left right) are only there to provide reflective properties, and are not unique values. In other words, there are really only 6 unique symbols (which I think are going to be reduced down to 5).

    Eventually, we will have to align the solar eclipse and lunar eclipse into circles, and this will ultimately form our infinity code. No clue how to get there yet.

    Is this making sense? I have more if you are interested.
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    perhaps wrap the strings into a circle then you can match up two 5s from the top and bottom strips. although a circle isn't really indicated by zac here.

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    I think that is what he is implying with "swirl".

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    T.I.M.,

    One thing to consider from what Zac says is that he is trying to "reverse" what has happened. Therefore, I think we need to work through Zac's steps in reverse order
    1. Secret is light - Reverse (Light spell on page 1-2)
    2. Combine and form anew (See below)
    3. Swirl and coalesce (putting the symbols into a circular shape (swirl) and pairing the symbols together to form

    To combine and form anew:

    1. Use a light spell on the page 2 symbols to essentially reverse the direction of the string.
    2. Note the reflection points. Page 2 is reflected vertically(Note how the background images reflect). Since page 2 is reflected vertically, and the code string runs through the center, the string is actually divided down the middle. If that is the case, then it means the string ends in the center of the page (between the moons). Since the page is reflected in the middle, then I believe one side of the strings is in reverse order. I inverted the symbols on the bottom of page 5. It makes those 4 symbols mirror, but beyond that, I really don't think it is necessary.
    3. Using the reflection patterns in the symbols, I have lined up the strings into eclipses. When you split the page 2 code, you end up with strings of 18 and 20 symbols. The other two are 30 and 35. You can create a set of "eclipses"(solar and lunar) using each moon, for a total of 4. The thing that absolutely convinces me this is right are the two eclipses where I have arrows pointing. Notice how in each case, the middle line ends right before the reflecting patterns line up in the top and bottom lines. Impossible that is a coincidence.

    If you look at the time of the sygygies page, the description of each eclipse is done the same way. 3 lines of varying length stacked on each other, so I think there is at least some confirmation this is correct.

    So we have combined and formed anew. Now that we have created "eclipses", the next logical step would be to apply the eclipse spells, which will show how to swirl and coalesce. If you are still interested, I will continue.

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    T.I.M.,

    One thing to consider from what Zac says is that he is trying to "reverse" what has happened. Therefore, I think we need to work through Zac's steps in reverse order
    1. Secret is light - Reverse everything (Light spell on page 1-2)
    2. Combine and form anew (See below)
    3. Swirl and coalesce (putting the symbols into a circular shape (swirl) and pairing the symbols together to form a letter (similar to the Treasure Trove method).

    To combine and form anew(My best guess):

    1. Use a light spell on the page 2 symbols to essentially reverse the direction of the string.
    2. Page 2 is also reflected vertically(Note how the background images reflect). Since page 2 is reflected vertically, and the code string runs through the center, the string is actually divided down the middle. If that is the case, then it means the string ends in the center of the page (between the moons). Since the page is reflected in the middle, then I believe one side of the strings is in reverse order. I also inverted the symbols on the bottom of page 5. It makes those 4 symbols mirror, but beyond that, I really don't think it is necessary.
    3. Using the reflection patterns in the symbols, I have lined up the strings into eclipses. When you split the page 2 code, you end up with strings of 18 and 20 symbols. The other two are 30 and 35. You can create a set of "eclipses"(solar and lunar) using each moon, for a total of 4. The thing that absolutely convinces me this is right are the two eclipses where I have arrows pointing. Notice how in each case, the middle line ends right before the reflecting patterns line up in the top and bottom lines. Impossible that is a coincidence.

    If you look at the time of the sygygies page, the description of each eclipse is done the same way. 3 lines of varying length stacked on each other, so I think there is at least some confirmation this is correct.

    So we have combined and formed anew, which created "eclipses". The next logical step would be to apply the eclipse spells, which will show how to swirl and coalesce. If you are still interested, I will continue.
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    i found this last yr following rabbits, anyway maybe it should be looked at again
    dont remember if i posted it or not, this hunt was done in 2004, and i thought it an
    odd coincidence, but i started getting more involved in fandango, and other projects
    and forgot about it

    David Blaine's $100,000 Challenge Solved

    from the above link
    Deconstruction Deluxe

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