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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark13 View Post
    Can anyone tell me how many filled in letters there are in the book of spells?
    i think 103 or 104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snickers View Post
    I think there is precedent for translating the E and H in Earth to 5 8

    In the morse code, there are two blatant mispellings

    Well begun is HAFF done
    A good BEGINNINW makes a good ending

    F=6
    W=23

    There are 23 hexagons. What was considered by most to be mispellings are actually, in my opinion, a clue. One man's junk.....
    i noticed that the f is/ . . _ .

    and the l is/ . _ . .

    W is/ . _ _

    G is/ _ _ .

    then i check more see jpg, i thought he was saying read it, something backwards
    just couldnt fig if it really meant anything though

    nice to see ya SupraTbo, i see your still hard thinking dar
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    Very astute observation cw0909, kudos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snickers View Post
    I think there is precedent for translating the E and H in Earth to 5 8

    In the morse code, there are two blatant mispellings

    Well begun is HAFF done
    A good BEGINNINW makes a good ending

    F=6
    W=23

    There are 23 hexagons. What was considered by most to be mispellings are actually, in my opinion, a clue. One man's junk.....
    I still say there is one more mis-spelled word in the morse and it would be the word "junk". I pointed this out before but didn't get much of a response. If you stay consistent in the way this morse is read, it is read left to right. If you read the code for the "j" left to right, the 2 leaves come first, then the flower and then the last leaf, making - - . - which is a "q", which would be qunk. Since 3's seem to be a major theme, it would fit in.
    F=6 Q=17 W=23 6+17=23 f+q =w Just my 2 "qents"
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    SupraTbo,

    I believe I remember reading some previous posts about overlaying the eclipse spells, and I remember thinking at the time that it seemed pointless. The thing that strikes me though is that the way we can link these circles up using matching words or phrases, and how such a method seems to be suggested by the book itself ("I command you" said at the same time) has given me second thoughts about the validity. I think there has to be something to it now.

    Consider this as well: We took 3 lines of shape codes, and using just visual cues, were able to create 4 pairings of 3 lines. When you line up the eclipses, each quadrant of the eclipse is separated from the rest by either spaces or arrows. When you line all 3 up, we are again creating 4 pairings of 3 lines. If you look at the symbol on the opposite side of the Light spell, the symbol looks to be 4 groups of 3 interlocking rings. The 32 point compass is on the next page, so to me, it sounds like this is somehow tied together with the year 3243 that is mentioned on the sygygy page.

    Taking the wild leap of faith that my theories about how to align the shapes code and the eclipse spells are accurate, and we have a group of symbols and a group of letters arranged into 4 groups of 3 lines, I am wondering if there is a way to overlay them. Since I don't believe the hexagons are used in the same way as the rest of the symbols, they would be a perfect candidate for this. They could be used in a similar fashion to the way the dots were used on the "summon a ring" page. The blocked out letters might also be hinting at this. The problem though is that the eclipse spells are not uniform. While I could line up the shapes into uniform columns, that doesn't appear very easy with the eclipses. Also, the shape strings seem considerably longer. I have an idea for that, but I am not sure it will work.

    One other observation that I am sure will be met with great skepticism by the group: I do not think the HCB is solvable. While I think there are visual hints on those pages about how to solve the overall puzzle (i.e., like the dots on the Summon a ring page), the task of logicially organizing those symbols into something solvable seems impossible. Think about it. Even if you had the decoding ring in front of you, how could you possibly determine order? There are just too many possiblities. MS stated that Hest is English. I would not be surprised if he was suggesting that the HCB was not Hest. I also think that has something to do with his reference to "avoid ring herders". I think everyone just assumed that was only a reference to the symbols with the rabbit beside them. What the heck is the point of putting red herrings in your puzzle if you label them as red hare rings??? You don't point them out. You have to make them look legitimate so they will throw people off. The writing on the HCB pages state "dum symbols" and "just suns and moons". I think that it sums it up. They are just dumb symbols.

    MS, his ancillary treasure hunt books, has presented himself as a bit of a student of past treasure hunts. As such, I am thinking his solution is going to be more in line with Masquerade than something like Krytos. A treasure trove really wasn't that hard in hindsight. Once the initial method was discovered, there was a quick rush and suddenly all the puzzles were solved. To prevent that from happening again, he would have one of two choices, he could either make his puzzle a heck of a lot harder, or just make it harder to find. I believe he just made it harder to find.

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    Just one thing to add to the HCB=red herring idea. If you look through the entire book of spells, you can flip through the entire book and find a red-hare-ring on either of the open pages, EXCEPT for the pages with the HCB. WHY? I definitely don't think that is a coincidence. Seems like there could be two possibilities:

    1. Every other page is red herring EXCEPT the HCB pages.

    2. The instruction to "avoid ring herders" is to be followed on a per-page basis. Since they are clearly marked on every other page, and not the HCB, it opens up the possibility that the HCB itself is red herring.

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