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    I find it extremely telling that after 1 week of getting this post from Stadther only a handful of Twelevers have responded. Sorry cthree, this is not good enough. Where is our representation? Why were you so seemingly passive? Why did I bother to become a benefactor? This brings back memories of Scrollquest and your affiliation with Jason. If you are the only link to Stadther then you owe it to us to push for the solution. Otherwise this whole business of armchair hunting just gets more ridiculous and loses face value.
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    Default My head is spinning please stop

    Now I am starting to see it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitizer101 View Post
    Now I am starting to see it!
    Ah! The rings are in that black hole!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by digitizer101 View Post
    Now I am starting to see it!
    Ah! The rings are in that black hole!

    That pic pretty much sums it up.
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    Default Hcb?

    I'm sorry, but...what is the "HCB"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pookydog View Post
    I'm sorry, but...what is the "HCB"?
    The "HCB" is the "Huge Code Block" which is defined as that huge conglomeration of symbols listed on pages 16-19 in the Book of Spells.

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    Unhappy Pics within pics

    It seems like everytime I look at the illustrations there are numbers and such within there.
    What's the consensus on this? Redherrings? Going Mad? ???
    It's too bad that Mike won't release more clues or the solution.

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    to this day I still think Ceekay had the right idea, if not the exact way to do it.

    She took the Summon Spell and attempted to extract letters using the method of filling in the empty space with a darker shadowing.

    Back then I mentioned to her on the old forum, that re-arranging the lines of code correctly may result in a better extractions of letter/numbers. Of course, knowing which lines go where, how to flip/rotate them was probably embedded in the HCB. It may still be that this is what Mike is trying to say.

    Of course, once again, with the HCB, knowing exactly how to rearrange each line of symbols would be the trick. Are we to cut and paste are way for a million years? Not me...


    I must admit, as my copy still has its honored place in my bathroom, I still look at it several time a week.

    Today, I touched on something I don't remember anyone pursuing.

    Of the 12 blocks, how many are actually Mirrored>? (needing reflection to read).

    Of these, what do they say or what can be found in them,?

    Also, one of the help books mentions Dragonfly as a clue on page 100. Looking at this Block the letter are SI (pretty sure not Sports Illustrated).

    Dragonfly is also the character for the Poem Line "Seek and ye shall find"

    Interestingly, the letters SI when counted in the Poem Line for dragonfly are

    First "S"=1=A
    First "I"=16=P

    Not really trying to decide if this means anything or not, just something I do not remember reading before.

    If Zac has the secret, which makes sense as he is the one that Summons the Red Diamond Ring in the story, There must be other clues that need to be solved in order to understand how here swirled and formed anew the portion of the HCB needed to summon a ring.

    Of course, the entire HCB could simply be one spell... meaning, Mike intended to award the Red Diamond Ring to the first person to solve it. The second and third persons be the next ring and so on, with the last 87 getting the cheapo rings.

    Either way, its moot as the ring are no longer and my book sits in the bathroom anyway. Its still and excellent brain teaser.

    That said, I still stand by earlier statements, this Hunt came along at a terrible time in my life, it provided countless ours of distraction and the entire forum we shared will always be remembered, everyone is in my heart, including Mike.

    I think Mike's handling of all this has shown an overwhelming lack of loyalty to those of us that dedicated so much and spent our money in, not only our attempt to solve his puzzle but to support his endeavor.

    I dont want Mike to fall, jump or get pushed off a cliff. However, I will never buy another thing he publishes.

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    SupraTbo, I think I may can help there.

    I went back through the HCB per MS's recent statement to look there. The reason this puzzle was never solved was because no one ever figured out "Swirling". Mr Stadther, both within the book, and with his after the fact hints, keeps suggesting that Swirling is the key piece, much like the 5x5 box in the Treasure Trove.

    After going back through the book of spells, a thought occured to me: "What if all of the black handwriting wasn't from the Malic Hest? On page 5, the observation was made long ago that in the handwriting, "We make work Good", the Good looks like like a clockwise arrow, an infinity symbol, and either a sideways A, or simply 3 lines intersecting. There is also an inkblot with trailing arms pointing to the pentagons. The Malic Hest doesn't appear to have solved the HCB, which means it is unlikely he would know about the swirling and infinity symbol. It occured to make that perhaps Kiem Reidhast wrote a message, but the Malic Hest wrote over it, which ended up obscuring what would have otherwise been a straightforward hint? What if the original message was supposed to be the blot pointing to the Pentagons, followed by the word "make", then the swirl arrow, followed by the infinity symbol, then the 3 lines? Now look at the very first page of the book of spells. There is a handprint (showing 5 fingers) right beside a swirl symbol. It would seem to be another suggestion connecting 5 to swirling.

    Now following that logic, I have attached a graphic of the reverse side of the Create a ring spell. It is the writing that says, "This make no sense". If you look at the words MAKE and SENSE, it doesn't seem to be the same handwriting. One is neat, one is sloppy. Also, on the grow spell, the malic hest writes "Mak humans leave" The only thing that makes sense is there are two different handwritings. I think the Malic Hest overwrote on top of the original message. Look at the T and H at the beginning of this writing. It doesn't look right. Believe it or not, I actually think THIS IS THE TEMPLATE FOR SWIRLING! It is 5 lines that are interconnected in a "swirl" pattern. The original message was likely that symbol, the word MAKE and then an O and perhaps NSE, as the N looks like a different N than the word No. NSE could be a reference to North, South, East, which could be making a reference to overlay on the compass. Overall, I think the pattern (5 reference, the word MAKE, then a circle or circles, then potentially a reference to things in 3.) can't be a coincidence. It certainly would be a PERFECT match for the statement "One Man's junk is another man's treasure"
    So, we have to create groupings of 5 lines in this pattern. This is what was meant by "swirl and coalesce". We would then combine these groupings 3 at a time to create "eclipses". As you turn then in a circular pattern, they will line up to spell words. That would be the combine and form anew part. The shape symbol strings at the beginning of the book I think were supposed to be a primer for how to swirl and coalesce. I also think the fact that you could overlay the words of the 3 eclipse spells and lock them on specific words were also supposed to be a primer. The Summon a Ring page has enough lines to create 1 eclipse using this method.

    I got some more stuff to add to this, specifically about the "Code for infinity" which I will probably post this week. IF this is really how the solution method goes, then I doubt we ever get the actual full solve, because this is something that would be VERY VERY tedious and time consuming to do, and without the promise of a prize, no one is going to waste their time. If you think about what happened with a Treasure Trove, once people figured out the solution method, all the puzzles were solved quickly. With this, even when you "figure it out" it is still a lot of work to do. Perhaps this is what was meant by "nothing ventured, nothing gained."
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    hey Snickers,

    long and tedious??? of course, there was a $1,000,000.00 ring up for grabs.

    Mike said it was simple. He did not say it could be done in a few moments.

    I am not sure the 5-3 correlation is correct. Though it could be..

    One of the things about the Red Herring base 5 moons strings that always bugged me was, in order to make them work, some of them needed to be flip, rotate, as well as flipped and rotated. Problem was, when doing this, at least one, created a moon that was usable, but people just used it anyway.

    So, what may be involved with the HCB code could be just like those.

    As for the Malic Hest writing. I have tried and tried to extract what could be UNDER or PART OF or WRITTEN first with no real success. Not sure anyone could actually accomplish this accurately. Though to date, I also believe there is something there.

    So, back to the HCB. It may be more fruitful to actually ENLARGE the first page, then copy it LINE BY LINE onto transparencies, then just start trying to make it work by arranging each transparency to see if something eventually shows up. Perhaps there is a sequence, once someone gets the first few lines, maybe it will begin to repeat itself. Who knows.

    Good Luck.

    I continue to marvel at how simple it can be and yet all this time later, no solution has been presented.

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