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    There have been many great people throughout this hunt that have always shared their thoughts and we are all welcome and greatful for their input and the directions their works sent us off into. But the problem still remains that this was never solved and we never got there from here.

    The problem with a hunt like this is that without any direction, instructions, or confirmation on anything we had a large enough source of data to find and see whatever we wanted with any amount of deep and convoluted rules we could create to get what we convinced ourselves was there. Reflecting back on everything there was one cliche we just did not grasp and that we all couldn't see the forest from the trees.

    We focused to much on what looked like treasure and got too deep into the details that could have just as easily been junk. We all worked and hacked at this just like the Darklings and the Malic Hest and we know they never got what they were truely after even after all the time they had devoted to the book.

    I figure from this that Kiem did his job at protecting the book even long after it left his hand and entered ours. If I was Kiem I would have done all of what I could to alter things myself to throw people off but leave instuctions for the true at heart to move slowly forward to recover the knowledge of the hest so it would not be lost forever.

    I would also make sure people knew it was me that left it for them at first so they knew they were on the right path. But how do we get there from here? How do we figure out what Zac saw for himself? How do we tie everything together be it in story or the real world?

    Thats what I would like to explore here and start taking about and finally letting go of my thoughts on all of this. My orginal book has long since been gone from my sight as it fell apart and took more damage than any of the malic hest would ever do so much of this will be from memory or from the few scans I still have left.

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    Like I mentioned in the last post there is just too much going on and we have such a pool of information to draw from that we all could easily find and see what ever each of us wanted to find or see. Long before I ever read the story itself I jumped right into the book of spells and spent a long time trying to chip away at what I though was the meat of it in what we grew to call the huge code blocks.

    Normally as a brute force code breaking task this would be a great playground to make any number of useful discoveries. With a corpus this large if it was secretly simpler that at first glances we should have found structural patterns and its own rythms to things but it just would not budge. There were just to many unique symbols and no dedicate rules we could just figure out on its own.

    From there I finally took on the story and second guessed everything I read and saw. Every drawing I dug into only to find the same morse codes everyone else did. We just could not get there from here. There just was some secret we were overlooking. We still did not know for sure what type of hunt this really even was.

    Then the Reflection clue came out and there was more huge code block symbols. I figure this had to be the key. With a smaller set there just might be the chance that the basic rules and understanding could be made from it and slowly work towards the larger ones again. But to my own madness it sent me right back to the huge code blocks with nothing to show but a few more missing patches of hair from my head.

    Then there was the next clue from the In Touch Magazine "YOU DONT HAVE TO LEAVE HOME". This very much solidified my belief that this was an online hunt. Then the true idea sparked back to the Reflection clue. We always focused on anagrams of everything even anagrams of the abigrams but I realized we missed something. Abigrams can just as easily be two different things at the same time and we never treated them as two words at the same time. Taking the word reflection twice the anagram that made the most sense to me was "Electric Online Effort".

    This did not really get me any closer but it started to show me things where not always what we beleive and we really are needing to learn to understand another world and theirs rules on how things work and make sense to them. We so quickly passed over the title anagram because we thought it was just the authors name or the wooden blocks because it was just more of the same. I think we missed the hidden symbology all together because there was just too many details dancing in front of our eyes. Did we need to think like children more so in the way as if we knew nothing and we were learning a new language or way of thinking? Did we need to take those child like steps and learn that strange new thing known as the alphabet and numbers? Is it as easy as ABC123?

    Mike kept pushing that there was something with the title and I just had to take a look again. The problem with a title this large is that you could indeed find almost anything you would want. Heck I even found an anagram with my full name that fit the hunt in it that I was saving if I did ever find or claim anything: "Shea Street lifts charm code". But we knew Mike did these things before and will do them again. After endless spinning around in circles over and over one popped out: "Search for the decimal tests". This made sense to me with everyone jumping quick on the base 5 numbering but not getting anywhere really. Knowing ther could be simple math as we know it in base 10 kind of cleared things up for me. But where? This would just have to wait to reveal itself later slowly.

    So to get farther than the Darklings and the Malic Hest, along with trying to avoid becoming like them ourselves, should we overlook their efforts and ways and parts of the story that describe their habbits and teachings? Maybe we shouldn't ignore these things but know they never got what they were truely after and take it as a lesson to avoid the ways of the ring herders. The question the stuck in my mind the longest is why with all the time they had with the book of spells they were not able to crack its secrets. Nothing seen is what we found. Maybe what unfolded in front of our eyes was indeed magic and what we saw on these pages the Darklings and the Malic Hest never saw or could ever hope to see. But are these extra things we can see just information overload for us? Could we not hope to see the forest from the trees? Could it be the codes they saw and believe to be and lead to treasue only end up being junk to us? Maybe we were not meant to be there just quite yet. First we have to learn our lessons.

    So a good beginning makes a good ending or is it a good ending leads to a good beginning? But the beginning or ending of what? The book of spells? The story itself? An important clue for a code? A twisted combination of all of these? If we do not venture to explore these we have nothing to gain or show. All we can do is seek and hope to find what this really means. But to set out on this quest we still need a direction, even a destination, and something hopefully to point and keep us on the way. Is there anyone we can ask or look to? Only Zac knows for sure.

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    Last time I ended off with Zac so this is where I will obviously begin in more ways than one. But before we venture down this path we must first remember that this is a hunt, a puzzle ment to be solved, and that the author put great efforts to have it all work as a whole. The whole is indeed greater the its sum of its parts afterall in this case most of all. But what does this mean? Things are not always what they seem.

    With any code that has the purpose of hiding things from the casual and general public but still made to be solved we have to take several things into account. Alignment, timing, spacing, proximity, coincidence, direction, numbering, indirect emphasis, and the all important exception. I am leaving out the topics of misdirection because obviously we all know what that looks and feels like otherwise we would not be were we are at now.

    Many parts of this book, the story itself including the book of spells, seems to have a timing and spacing issue. Some things seem rushed, others seem drawn out beyond need, and somethings just take up so much or too little space. I know I have this issue myself with my own writtings or drawings but something, maybe on many levels, is at play here and it is done with a purpose. Is there text that is a big clue and has to be overly played or the opposite and it is under represented and brushed over to just add to the hunt. Or is there something linked to all of this that is external but still bound to everything? Maybe it is so simple and hidden in plain sight that we just over look it. Sometimes the best place to conceal a secret is right in front of everyones eyes. Zac might have not seen what we need to see in full but he did see something.

    So we begin near the ending were Zac has his moment of insight, the moment we all want to have, the moment of clarity where the book of spells reveal its secrets to the pure of heart. But what did he see? What sparked that next step? It all just seemed so rushed that if we blinked we missed it. What do we as the reader know and can see that links everything together?

    Zac first figured out the light spell just light we all did, you know, the one you hold up to the light to reveal the magic. But was this the last page in the book? This was just the penultimate page right next to the last one we grew to call the compass page. How does this link to Zac? For one he would have seen it alone side the spell he just casted and two it links to him from our point of view. The background to the compass page is the same background found in the artwork of the story of Zac in his very own workshop. But what good is a compass without a map?

    There are many map like images everywhere in the book of spells but wich one or what page does this single out? We must think in the context of the story where the great forest is everything. But what else does this page have going for it? From an artistic point of view it is rather blank even though it is full of many things. Code wise it is screaming. This page has what I would like to think the largest alignment of faded symbols found anywhere else in the book. It is as if things are saying everything branches off from here. But are we right yet?

    The book of spells has had alot happen to it in it life time and was orginally the source of light to its people the Hest. All that is left of them besides this book is the last words of its loyal protector Kiem Rethdast. If I was the last of my people the last thing I would ever want to do is identify myself by name. His message has a purpose as well as his name. But does this give us any confirmation to picking the great forest page? There is a proximity, an alignment, and a coincidence.

    First we notice where the note is afixed to and that right above it "our Greate Forest" is mentioned. Next the word "bok" in his note is technicaly missing a letter "o" and falls right under the filled in "o" in "Forest" right above it. Next we know from the note he makes an effort to mention his fears on how slowly he moves. If we are truely one of his kind we much make haste to help. An anagram of "The Greate Forest" is indeed "Get to here faster". Are we finally being pointed in the right direct? Kiem has already left his mark in the history of the book but has he left his mark actually in the book? If we look at the page breaks on the forest page they do indeed look like a stylized K and R: a monogram for Kiem Rethdast. Are we all there yet?

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    Last we left off with Kiem and again we will come first circle and end with him again. But we must first go back to Zac and the story or is it just the story as in the childrens book we are holding? Previously I talked about alignment, timing, spacing, and emphasis. This work as a childrens book with a code seems to want to put an emphasis on pages numbers. They maybe codes in themselves but outside of that the acorns and base 5 symbols deal with page numbers in the purest sense. They may not be pointing out those exact pages themselves but saying there is something important with page numbers.

    Before Zac ever created or summoned anything he had to first understand. We all know this part of the story quite well: "The symbols in the book swirled and coalesced in his mind, combined and formed anew, and gradually, he understood them". So before he ever turned a page to anything resembling the huge codes blocks he understood something else more fundamental. We as the readers have a different advantage since this is a story within itself and that this took place on page 103. More than just an average coincidence.

    Going back to the forest page in the book of spells we have these symbols that are only ever seen in three places on only two pages. These symbols are really an exception to everything we see elsewhere. Counting the total number of these symbols brings us to a total of indeed 103. So were things rushed or spaced out to have this alignment? Do we need any more signs pointing at this forest page to make a move on it finally? What instructions can we decipher from Zac's experience?

    First the symbols swirled in his mind. But does this help up? With all this dark is light, up is down, forward and backwards, life and death does directionality matter? Does the original cardinal position really matter? Did Zac realize that nothing needed to change? Or is this just here to help us along since we are not used to things possibly being backwards and upside down?

    Next they coalesced, combined and formed anew. Whats with the redundancy here? They are all verry similar in meaning but are represented as three totaly seprate actions being both different and equal in importance. Three is a very powerful number in all of this story and within the book of spells itself with all the talks of total eclipses and the syzygies. Lets look at the book of spells and its own notes on syzygy: "Ye near-straight line twixt three celaestial bodies, as sumtyme be ye sun, moon, and Eaerth tugethr". Sumtymes as in sometimes, as in not always. Maybe there is an alignment of 3 things possibly 3 symbols actually. Total-this, sum-that, sum-this... there is alot to hints at simple addition... are we to our decimal test? But what are we doing still? Do we understand yet? What are we to do?

    And we are right back to Kiem, the one who is unseen throughout the who story except for the book of spells unspoken of. Is this his handywork? Is it the beginning or the end? We already know Kiem is a legend with the book of spells but is he part of the legend of the map we are trying to read? Is he the key or is he part of the key?

    1. Swirl the page upside down.
    2. Coalesce the ending (or the beginning if you don't swirl) 12 symbols into groups of 3.
    3. Combine the symbols through addition by totaling the number of points on each symbol within the groups of 3.
    4. Form them anew by taking A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, etc.

    You can take this both ways that this is a good beginning make a good ending. But well begun is only half done. Were do we go from here? There is still 26 symbols remaining. Wait what? 26? Are we being hinted towards an alphabet? Or are we truely only half done understanding what we only begun to start? Are we gradually starting to understand them?
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    I picked the book again for the last couple of weeks and noticed I LOST(OMG) some of my spell pages so I ordered 3 new books. I put the four pages that the ink blot matches exactly and am going to trace the light spell after I reflect and flip the image to the front so that it matches page 105. Folding, overlapping... Finally read Treasure Island-in the back the dictionary defines alchemy as an adj-false or worthless. and Darkling as adverb -is an archaic way of saying in the dark-odeon a nightgale by john keats. I can't get away...lol..

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    Charles again..lol

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    That looks official to me. Sure sounds like the fat lady is singing ! Nothing to see here folks , lets move along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diverdown View Post
    That looks official to me. Sure sounds like the fat lady is singing ! Nothing to see here folks , lets move along.
    Originally Posted by gracedog25
    News & Headlines - Million Dollar Rare Diamond Collection Sold in Auction
    just checking,i thought this was known,and there is only the puzzle to solve now, no prize
    rings sold in 2009

    Million Dollar Rare Diamond Collection Sold in Auction
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    News & Headlines - Million Dollar Rare Diamond Collection Sold in Auction

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    Definitely not an expert in this arena, but find it odd that items offered at an AUCTION are sold "almost immediately for the reserve price". Doesn't that defeat the purpose of an auction? Was the buyer even identified?

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