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    Default Clue Three : Summon a Ring

    I just thought I would see how 'Starthinker' had placed the dots over the various symbols in the 'Summon a Ring' Hest, and it appears that there are 5 batches of dots which are placed on 5 different 3 line symbols.

    Now these could be removed/erased and see if we get something intellegent, but my guess is that each batch is moved from one to another to make those tri-lines of symbols make sense.

    In the image below the '1st Dots' are the batch at top of the page and the '5th Dots' are the batch at the bottom, which may be needed to be placed in dot order for the Hest to read properly. This probably also needs to be mirrored after the correct positions are found.


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    I just thought I would see how 'Starthinker' had placed the dots over the various symbols in the 'Summon a Ring' Hest, and it appears that there are 5 batches of dots which are placed on 5 different 3 line symbols.

    Now these could be removed/erased and see if we get something intellegent, but my guess is that each batch is moved from one to another to make those tri-lines of symbols make sense.

    In the image below the '1st Dots' are the batch at top of the page and the '5th Dots' are the batch at the bottom, which may be needed to be placed in dot order for the Hest to read properly. This probably also needs to be mirrored after the correct positions are found.


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    Is access back up into Starthinkers site ?

    Answer to summon a ring, you yell, "here ring, here ring, come out of hiding", during a syzygy.
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    Best of luck Shrek on your idea.

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    Looks like after Frank 41 solved the reflection clue 'It is Time, Time it is' we are looking to use time for decoding.

    # 100 is hard.

    "Then he recited the spell to summon the ring." time to work on this. this spell is hard too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrek View Post
    Looks like after Frank 41 solved the reflection clue 'It is Time, Time it is' we are looking to use time for decoding.

    # 100 is hard.

    "Then he recited the spell to summon the ring." time to work on this. this spell is hard too.

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    I bet the teardrop code is used to determine how many symbols make up each letter, since the filled dots theory is out the window.
    The 'Chant Spells' pg description says:
    "Concentration rewards. In Allways, such Spells reap greate benefit for all who wish the Greate Forest well. It is said that with vere much Study and Blessings, a sage mightsways perchance to generate new chant spells sumday. Universi tranquillo. Paribus paribus."
    I am only finding 3 teardrop strings. Am I counting correctly?


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    2 symbols = 0 line, 2 crescents, 0 circles - O, Zero
    3 symbols = 0 line, 1 crescent, 2 circles – C
    3 symbols = 1 line, 0 crescents, 2 circles - I, 1
    4 symbols = 0 line, 2 crescents, 2 circles – S
    4 symbols = 0 line, 4 crescents, 0 circles – 8
    4 symbols = 1 line, 1 crescent, 2 circles - D, J, P, Q
    5 symbols = 0 line, 2 crescents, 3 circles – 3
    5 symbols = 1 line, 2 crescents, 2 circles – B
    5 symbols = 2 lines, 0 crescents, 3 circles - L, T, V
    6 symbols = 2 lines, 0 crescents, 4 circles – X
    6 symbols = 2 lines, 1 crescent, 3 circles - R, U, 2
    6 symbols = 3 lines, 0 crescents, 3 circles - A, Y, 4
    7 symbols = 2 lines, 1 crescent, 4 circles - G, 5
    7 symbols = 3 lines, 0 crescents, 4 circles - F, H, K, N, Z
    9 symbols = 4 lines, 0 crescents, 5 circles - E, M, W

    The only way the teardrop code will work on the number of symbols to use is if an upside down symbol represents a 4, 7, or 9. Otherwise we can't use half the alphabet.

    “The Greate Forest”
    Teardrop code by points:
    3 2 6 2 1 2 2 2 3 2 5 2 5 6 1 1 5 2 2 1 3 3 5 6 1 6 5 3 5 3 1 1 6 1 3 6 3 1

    “Eclipse Spells”
    Teardrop code by points:
    6 1 1 6 5 2 5 6 5 1 2 3 6 1 2 1 6 5 1 1 6 2 5 2 5 5 6 5 1 6

    “Light Spells”
    Teardrop code by points:
    6 2 1 5 1 2 6 5 2 5 6 1 5 2 3 6 3 2 1 6 2 1 6 2 3 1 6 3 1 6 5 5 1 1 6


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    Shrek, is this what you are looking for?

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    Note: only works in Internet Explorer... Sorry

    If you need additional images put in or taken out let me know.

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    I've been thinking about the Page 80, flower morse 'A GOOD BEGINNING MAKES A GOOD ENDING' this make me think of the Atbash cipher, where A=Z (beginning/ending), B=Y, C=X etc.

    Could there be a double cipher in the 'Summon a ring' symbols, so if it's showing, say 3 lines and 3 circles which is an A or Y, with atbash these could be either Z or B, just an idea.....

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    It could also be a 36 character Atbash with the numbers at back, or maybe the front, which would account for why there seems to be numbers in the symbols



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    Using the English language letter frequency I was able to calculate the following expected hest symbol frequency as follows

    Lines 37%
    Crescents 9%
    Circles 54%

    Then I counted all the symbols on page 16 and found only 48% circles. So I think the overlaid dots need to be used as circles, either added in or replacing the symbols they fall on top of.
    It is time. Time is it.

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    Any new clue's coming?

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