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    Default Another method?

    Okay... follow me for a second...

    Now, I don't have enough info to explore this, but you do lyric. I think its possible that you don't even need to do the hard work of anagraming the section you decoded. There is a type of transposition listed in the basic cryptanalysis manual here:

    http://www.umich.edu/~umich/fm-34-40-2/

    It's in chapter eleven.

    I don't know how you divided up the lines you had, but it could apply to this. Basically what this cipher technique does is arrange the plain text into 'n' columns where n is the length of a keyword (usually containing only unique letters of the alphabet.) The columns are then rearranged to put the keyword in alphabetical order (or this can be done the other way around). Essentially, this is equal to a keyed transposition through the text. I know you spoke of a keyword, and if you have another maybe as well you might want to check this method out and see if it (or a modification of it) can yeild the same results. Not a definite, but I think its a possibility...

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    Has anyone tried using the word PINK as the keyword?

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    yes I have tried pink..thought of that last week! NO luck though!

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    Default Dear ABC User, My take on the lyrics

    The combination of anagrams possible from that many letters is vast.

    While I had previously wished to believe in a sub-poem I dont see it's relevance now.

    I do believe that the mushrooms spoke of by lyric do hold secrets but not to the level of complexity as previously spoken.

    While I do see the the coordinates in the shrooms I have to think that there is an easier application for them.

    Though I believe I will have to visit the faeries before I can collect the correct directions for finding a token, I refuse to be star struck by them until I see a real key to unlock their secrets.

    I am curious if anyone knows the type of mushrooms that are being used in the book? (I could look it up but not really a mushroom fan, besides i'm working on another time consuming issue)

    It seems from what I observed the location to four tokens will be revealed by the dark faeries and my current speculation on which four would be hummingbird, caterpillar, butterfly and ladybug. anyone dare a guess at this conclusion?

    Now the all important clue I am releasing is.......

    THE SKY IS BLUE

    No this is not a red herring, anyone that looks will see that is is blue, and purple and sometimes yellow...etc....

    Point being that just reading the subpoem might spark an idea in your mind even if it was derived from a multi-arrayed anagram. So let lyric focus on his next task and leave(leaf) this one alone.

    Remember, all combination locks have multiple combinations.

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    Point being that just reading the subpoem might spark an idea in your mind even if it was derived from a multi-arrayed anagram.
    Huh? I did not understand your point here. It sounds interesting, but I did not get the "multi-arrayed anagram" reference. What is that?

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    Default Multi-Arrayed Anagram

    Multi-Arrayed Anagram:

    Look at an array from 1-10. Now if you were to fill up these 10 spots of this array with different letters (abcdefghij as an example) then the total possible combinations would be 10^10(10 to the power of 10) since each letter could occupy each location. Of course in language we know that certain character combinations dont occur, how often does a G land next to an F in a word (it doesnt but SL SR TR GR..... do). This is just one array and while the combinations of anagrams is is limited in this case as soon as a cipher is induced the combinations grow exponentially becoming a multi-arrayed anagram. the fact that the subpoem was

    1. created from selecting certain characters based on the mushroom code creates array 1.

    2. deciphered using a key word creates array 2

    3. anagramed from decipher creates array 3(not as critical since there are restrictions in leeter combinations in the english language. Ref: GF FG SR...TR...etc

    The solution is a multi arrayed anagram but borders on an arrayed anagram of three dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyricalash
    Kodydraven,

    Good job summarizing the other 987 posts. Man, you people are repetitive, aren't you?

    lyric
    us, repetitive?

    and now the kettle is calling the pot black!

    summing up lyric's posts:

    1. unproven, provacative, and possibly untrue information
    2. insults




    so-
    Or am I just paranoid...

    *Of course*

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyricalash
    I'm just saying... let's get some fresh thoughts going.
    <ad nauseum>

    ...on an old sub-poem that has NEVER been publicly proven to exist! As with many others, I REFUSE to acknowledge it as anything less than a hoax, unless someone can prove otherwise. And no further progress is being made!!!???!??!

    Nice job, Lyric, but you forgot to flush.
    Now please wash your hands.


    </ad nauseum>

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