# Thread: Where are the Cryptograms?

1. ## Where are the Cryptograms?

Mr. S uses so many cryptograms in the Companion Book, (I know this was discussed somewhere) so I was thinking about it, and why would he have them all over in the companion book, but none in ATT? They have to be there. But all we can see in the story is plaintext. By definition, there is just no way to cryptogram plain text into more plain text (wouldn't that just be anagramming?). So there must be cryptograms embedded in the text. But how do we extract them?

Ideas:

-Go through the text using the pink numbers on page 2.

-Take every capital letter

-Take every letter after a hyphen

-take every letter after a double letter pair

Just brainstorming here.

One more point, maybe there is a cryptogram for each creature, so you would start looking for new cryptograms whereever a new creature puzzle starts.

Now, I am sure with all of the brilliant minds out there, this is not a novel idea, but I didn't see it posted anywhere, and I am trying my best to contribute.

Off I go to work on this theory. Would love to hear what others think.

2. Okay, I have been at this for a little while now, and I realize that it is nearly impossible to pull cryptos out of the text without a definitive way to place spacing. I have tried spacing at hyphens, at commas, at paragraph endings, but it is just so difficult to keep it all straight. Can anyone offer suggestions?

3. Originally Posted by sapphiresky2
Okay, I have been at this for a little while now
LOL!! 47 minutes!!

4. The cryptoquotes will likely be the final step in decoding the code of numbers.

Step 1: 5X5 Box
Step 2: Vigenere
Step 3: Cryptoquote

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One thing to keep in mind with cryptoquotes is that spacing and punctuation is extremely important. If you are attempting to "pull out" a cryptogram from the text, it would be important to count the spaces and punctuation marks in your analysis.

I am a firm believer that there will be cryptoquotes, and I wrote about this before. I think the key to finding them is looking at sentences where strange words, spellings, or punctuation occurs.

With that said, I haven't found any yet so who am i to judge!

6. dubulup,

Are you poking fun at me???

I work on this thing for way too many hours a day, and never come up with anything.

Go easy, man! I'm tryin!

Should I stop posting

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on the subject of your cryptogram:

Some of us thought there might be a vigenere
type code hidden in the text, based on
the numbers in pink in the beginning of the
book: 6.5.14...

SaveOurTreesArt just seemed a little too lame.

The vigenere code here involves taking a group of words then
looking at the 6th letter, then the 5th after that,
then the 14th, until youâ€™ve selected
15 letters. It takes 120 letters of text
to yield a 15 letter result.

With a little computer program, I thought
Iâ€™d check it out. The program is able to eliminate
or keep punctuation marks such as commas,
periods, quote marks, contractions, space,
parentheses, dashes etc..

Where to start is obviously important.
I searched the text beginning with each chapter,
then again beginning with each paragraph.

And, like so many othersâ€™ good ideas, this one too
so far has turned up nothing. But I keep looking .

If anyone still thinks there might be a
vigenere code someplace, other than where
I searched, Iâ€™d be glad to hear what you think.
Now Iâ€™m thinking, maybe words instead of
letters? or syllables?

8. Originally Posted by sapphiresky2
dubulup,

Are you poking fun at me???

I work on this thing for way too many hours a day, and never come up with anything.

Go easy, man! I'm tryin!

Should I stop posting
yes I was poking fun, and no I don't want you to quit posting

9. ## 5x5 Puzzle

Could someone please explain the 5x5 box more clearly? Is there a topic on it that will explain it better?
I understand that part about the Vignere Cipher/Square already, but I don't get where to start on the 5x5 puzzle.

10. ## Re: 5x5 Puzzle

Check here:

http://tweleve.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2788

someone else asked the same thing and they got some good answers.

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