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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjaw View Post
    I am currently using the following as ciphertext.

    [FONT="Courier New"]1 >W <A =C =E >P *# >H *W =B =Z *B =Y *E =F =P >C =U >L =J
    2 >E >Z =F *I =M <O >Q >T =A <K *A =T >F >B =X *M =L <D >Q <J
    3 =R <P >N >C *L <Y >M <B >R ># <F >G *G =D =N =S *R *W
    4 <M *J <T *P *S *V =T *Y *I =X *H <Z *C >Q =K =L <Q =G <U =J >F
    5 <L *# <M *R >D >M =S =C *G >N *B >Y =Z <R >R =M =# =F =U <E >W -V *I
    6 <O *J <T =P =L <J *M =S <Y >E >B <I =N >K =A <K >C >F
    7 <C =Y <F =F <A *# *W <P =B >L =M >K =T <H =L =P >V >E *I *T
    8 >F *A >R <J *H >A *Y <Y <D <O =N =S =A *S <P *M *R <F
    9 <S >R *S *J *Q *V =W <I =N =G >Q *B *R <Y =G >D =E >Y *P *#
    10 <L <R <M *B *H *H >A *Y =T >M =D <D =S <B *E <P >C >G >K
    11 =W =U =B >M <Z <J <U =A ># *W =# <T <Q <N =N =X *G *I
    12 <E =Y <S *M *K >B >F <F =C <O <K *A =C <R >C =G =H <H <P =W >Y
    13 <L >V =D >E <N <D =S *M =L >L =J *B >B =E *G =P *F >P *C
    14 *A *W =C <A <T *L *# <K *A <A <U >P =P *D <O =Z >F <T =J >V <F
    15 *# <A <C =Y <U <W =U =F =M >P >L >D <E =K =P >V =J *S *B *I <H
    16 <M *J *C =D >W =K <Q *F =A >C *V <N *N *R *L =# *K <B =G >G =Z
    17 *W >W <J *P <M *M <D =X *A =A =W =T =L <Q <Z <E
    18 >F <L >Q >B *E *T <O <T <N >L <P <Y <V ># <I =K
    19 >R <S <W =B *Q =C =# =P *C =S *L *T *I =R >A =T >A <O <K >K
    20 =T ># >V =J =S >R <U *C <H <I *F >L *M <D =U *# <F <C =A *E =X =Y =#
    21 <B >W <E <Z *F >G =L =D >E =C >B <V *K =F <A =K *W >A =B *T
    22 *R *A <Y >F <L *G <O <V *I >Q =N >P =G >R >M *J <K
    23 <P *S *# <N *T *C =M =P <J =H <Q *B *Q *Y <C >Q *S *L =Z *V
    24 =W >C =E <R *P <U *V >Y =J <I <J <R >P >V =C >D =# *K
    25 ># <S =Y *F <S *P <V >K =F <B =E >A =Q =Q *K *L >L =F <F
    I was getting different frequencies than you and in checking I notice some differences between your cipher text and what I have.

    I believe these changes should be made. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    Line 2 should be <Q <T instead of >Q >T
    Line 16 should start with <M not >M
    Line 19 should be >A =T >V instead of >A =T >A

    There were a couple more differences I had but my eyes are getting bleery so I'll recheck everything later. Not trying to be a jerk pointing this out, I just want to make sure everyone working on this is doing so from the same base so comparing notes is easier.

    Edit: Also a *Q missing as the next to last block on line 22 between the J and K. I think that's all of them.

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    Thanks Srial. I kind of rushed it when I wrote it, so my bad. Maybe I should do a thorough check on the text so we don't get any more errors.

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    Kinda of off the topic of the letters, but for the fuch clue, there was a set of numbers with it: 22525 00942 47674 I don't know if it's somehow a hint to something, i just thought I should point it out in case.

    http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.a...3-0d29c0dd9879

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    Hello guys. I've been working with the fact that all the blue blocks need to go away, and then, those spots would indicate spaces. Following this road, i hit a block. I would produce a string of four one letter words. That surely doesn't make sense. So i guess, the rabbits stays, all other blues gone. Also, I've gotten this pattern, which is quite something imo.


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    A simple anagram for the previous puzzle seems indicative of a red herring...

    But in the spirit of cryptography, let's take a closer look at the facts:

    1. Torment tends to utilize famous and/or commonly used ciphers
    2. Common themes include E.A. Poe, LOTR, and cryptographic history.
    3. A 'clue' given by greengecko indicated to "try blew" which is an obvious anagram for W.B. Tyler, whose name was used to send two cryptograms to Poe's publication. The second letter he sent was not solved until recently, using flipped character substitution.

    There is a tool (Code Cipher Systems) that uses an incomplete version of this cipher type. It uses a single alphabet and is simple substitution, where multiple characters can have the same alphabetical value. With a viable transcript (converting each letter possibility to a 'glyph,' making a long alphabet) this seems a likely route.

    That is all.

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    If you're looking at this as a cipher text, assume that every character in the text has meaning.

    I.e. don't take out the blue letters or the snails.

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    I just noticed something about the page. If you highlight the page, the girl at the top is an image, but the actualy puzzle doesn't highlight (there are also some strange spaces beside it). If you right click it, it appears to be some sort of flash type insert. Any relevance perhaps? sorry for going OT


    On a whim, I decided to consider the "look behind U" sound from myrrh, and got something interesting:

    letters behind U are as follows (I've put the state of the U below each)

    L= J> E* A> B> P= F> W* #* C< V<
    U> U* U> U* U> U* U> U* U> U* U*

    Points to Note: Well firstly, up until the last 2, the Us have a pattern of >*>*>, also all the normal letters are rotated to the right/180/not at all - NOT to the left (again until the last 2).
    Also, no letter is repeated here.

    Our final characters are:

    LJEABPFW#CV

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    Okay, I've just started working on another method mentioned in post #643 in the big thread. I reckon that each snail/rabbit rotation denotes a change to a different alphabet. I've been trying the alphabets that Tripikaka came up with, set with the snails and I've come up with some words here and there. Will keep you guys updated.

    Also, some small things I noted while reading through the threads: people wondered about whether myrrh was a red herring or not - somebody pointed out that all our current red herrings didn't have a javascript counter on their pages, and myrrh is no expection. Everybody seemed to ignore this in the big thread, but I think it's pretty valid. Moreover, GG's hint with the apple laptop had completely different blocks (this seemed to be ignored, but I dunno how relevant it is).

    Hope you guys are still working hard,

    CluEleSs!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CluEleSs!? View Post
    Okay, I've just started working on another method mentioned in post #643 in the big thread. I reckon that each snail/rabbit rotation denotes a change to a different alphabet. I've been trying the alphabets that Tripikaka came up with, set with the snails and I've come up with some words here and there. Will keep you guys updated.

    Also, some small things I noted while reading through the threads: people wondered about whether myrrh was a red herring or not - somebody pointed out that all our current red herrings didn't have a javascript counter on their pages, and myrrh is no expection. Everybody seemed to ignore this in the big thread, but I think it's pretty valid. Moreover, GG's hint with the apple laptop had completely different blocks (this seemed to be ignored, but I dunno how relevant it is).

    Hope you guys are still working hard,

    CluEleSs!?
    Sorry for the double post, but it wouldn't let me edit after 15mins:
    Just tried running through different alphabets after each other, ie. take blocks, run through alphabet 1, take result, run through alphabet 2. Because of the massive gaps in alphabet 2, I'm getting limited results (possible word "terror" found in one part however, probably a total coincidence). I feel we are close though. Do not give up guys! We quackquackquackquackin' got this!

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