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    @Diorama: No, I scarcely know Latin beyond my English, much less Spanish. That's an interesting find, though.

    In my initial post, I was considering the importance of the Copyright 2007 at the bottom of TMA. I can't recall whether there were such copyrights on the old torment pages. Given the hints for us about sevens and years, I think there is something to be drawn from it, especially since the segment from the Inferno occupies the same line.


    Presently, I'm working on treating the TMA cipher as a homophonic substitution cipher in its default orientation. In pursuit of this, I've worked out some raw data on the symbols alone, as well as some minor patterns which I'm looking at:



    Included on that page is a rough count of the number of occurrences of each symbol on the page, a histogram displaying the frequency of uses of symbols (i.e. the number of symbols which occur 1, 2, 3, ..., 17 times.), and a few notes on symbol patterns that I've found. The gridlines don't show up too well on the distribution, but the scale will help with relativity, and you can always do a manual count yourself.

    An important note is that the data and counts that are on that page aren't concrete, as I can't discern whether certain instances of the shaded circles, zodiac signs, and the like are distinct symbols or solely the same symbols written differently. I also considered the small dots to be symbols as opposed to periods, though that too is just an arbitrary choice.


    I'm uncertain about elements.

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    Default Possible Lead: Orion map overlay with TMA puzzle

    The following image is a depiction of a tracing of the constellation orion on top of the TMA puzzle. Not only do the stars match up at key parts of the puzzle, but the letters contained inside the constellation may be of some importance.

    photo3.jpg picture by magnum_opus9goh - Photobucket
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    ***Update from my previous post:

    By using the solved Zodiac Cipher as a key for the letters in the enclosed areas of Orion, I have come up with the following (likely) scrambled letters:

    TONIHSEOURDOTYNLLEANBEANMHRTE

    These letters contain the name "Bryan Hartnell", one of the survivors of the Zodiac killer. The remaining letters 16 are:

    TONIHSEOUDOTNEME

    As for these letters, I can assume they form some kind of sentence, likely one from the point of view of the zodiac killer, having resentment towards the fact that Hartnell had lived. I have attempted to descramble these to no avail, although I find it likely that the subject of the sentence has something to do with either the night of the attack or the feelings Hartnell likely feels towards the Zodiac killer.
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    that's all very dandy, but there are problems when trying to line up Orion with the placements of the symbols. Given that there are so many symbols, there are several ways one can draw any given line, giving many different combinations of aligned symbols that could wind up looking like Orion.

    additionally, the right arm traced in your drawing appears to be a little off, compared with:
    http://www.topastronomer.com/StarCha...ar=-1&Names=No

    It looks to me like the right arm would rather go right through the string of symbols that looks like 'RUN', and then branch off from there, and the left seems a little out of proportion as well. I'm not critiquing your art or anything, it's just that if the lines don't go through the correct symbols, then the (supposed) cipher wouldn't work as it might be designed to.
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    ***Updated possible sketch of Orion pattern

    photo4.jpg picture by magnum_opus9goh - Photobucket

    **Originally, I though the two symbols in the center bottom segment to be part of Orion sword made of stars as depicted in
    http://theboldcorsicanflame.files.wo...1/01/orion.jpg

    However, it may be that the uppermost two symbols may be excluded from this cluster of stars, becoming part of the group of letters as the letters O and T.

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    Hi guys, It's been a long time. Been kind of busy, but I'm back.
    Well, I've just finished reading the whole topic from my last visit and I have to say I'm impressed. I knew GG could not just abandon us like that, and you guys have done, as usual, a great job for a first attempt to decipher the zodiac thing.

    I think the Orion theory may be a great path to take, but magnum_opus, how do you pick one symbol to start your drawing? I mean, you could have chosen any in the cipher.
    Plus, as Shrike said, the right arm is not at the right scale. This may be irrelevant or just worthless, but what if you actually adjust the whole drawing other than just the arm?

    Also, grngecko.com seems to be completly down now. I've missed the whole bright/dark thing about it, was it related to the zodiac cypher or something?
    Diorama, these spanish forums are very interesting, yet I don't speak a single word of spanish. ^^ Well, I think google translate will do the trick.

    Anyway, I'll try to work on it, an extra help is always welcome. I've got my week free so time is, for now, not a problem.

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    We have no idea why the GG homepage was changing. He might have been doing it to signal the changes that have now taken effect. There have been ideas flung around but as per usual, nothing is for sure.

    speaking of not being for sure, what if analysis of the Zodiac puzzle isn't even necessary anymore? I've been thinking, and what if the answer box never comes back? Maybe GG means to never bring it back and intends to have us put our guesses into the URL; perhaps his janky new web server doesn't work with Javascript, or whatever code he used to set up the answer box. This would also explain the simplicity of the new Elements page.

    This considered, 'elements' might have been the actual answer(or the answer was changed to 'elements' in order to make the puzzle easier, allowing it to be considered the new first stage of Torment). In this case, it means that the Zodiac puzzle is as solved as it needs to be, or possibly ever could be, and we need to start analyzing TMA/elements.html a bit more seriously...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrike View Post
    We have no idea why the GG homepage was changing. He might have been doing it to signal the changes that have now taken effect. There have been ideas flung around but as per usual, nothing is for sure.

    speaking of not being for sure, what if analysis of the Zodiac puzzle isn't even necessary anymore? I've been thinking, and what if the answer box never comes back? Maybe GG means to never bring it back and intends to have us put our guesses into the URL; perhaps his janky new web server doesn't work with Javascript, or whatever code he used to set up the answer box. This would also explain the simplicity of the new Elements page.

    This considered, 'elements' might have been the actual answer(or the answer was changed to 'elements' in order to make the puzzle easier, allowing it to be considered the new first stage of Torment). In this case, it means that the Zodiac puzzle is as solved as it needs to be, or possibly ever could be, and we need to start analyzing TMA/elements.html a bit more seriously...
    I remain pretty convinced that the answer box was superfluous to begin with - possibly a red herring.

    In other news though (and related to possible red herrings), warrebeek is back up, this time as naturalbees.com.

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