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    Default The Napkin "code"

    This message is written on a napkin by the killer who has the dagger.
    The author has told me that this is one way to the dagger's location. (more than one way???)

    C01 _ _ - _
    S _ _ _ - _
    CD621 _ _ _
    B _ 1 _ _ _

    C _ _ _ _
    AC _ L - _ _ *
    PDN52 _ _ _ (note the 2 is crossed out)
    ?00.J _ _ _ _

    On the napkin is also a postcard of the old Sands hotel casino in Vegas. This postcard is not part of the storyline in the book and I can only surmise is a clue to solving this message. Here is a link to a Sands postcard, this is not a exact duplicate but is close to the one in the book.

    Late 1960's Postcard - Sands Hotel - Las Vegas, NV on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

    The message is written in a 8 line format as show above but I think maybe that is to throw us off. Here it is in a single line.

    C01 _ _ - _ S _ _ _ - _ CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _ C _ _ _ _ AC _ L - _ _* PDN52 _ _ _ ?00.J _ _ _ _

    28 blank spaces.... any thoughts?

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    Mike

    I think the 8 lines mighht go to the phone number of a PI-Private Investigator.

    Owen in many ways is Magnum PI

    Best

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    Default napkin is enough?

    "one way to the dagger's location" - a *complete* solution to the location is in the napkin code itself? was that the feeling you got? then the other ciphers (combined?) represent another solution? I kind of like that if true, multiple methods to the same location. Does anyone think the last line of the book indicates there's a body in the trunk, and that she killed again? or is it just comical relief? For her to put a '?' on the last line means that she's undecided whether someone else needs to be killed, but the last line in the story is suggestive. Is there a peripheral figure among the characters not directly involved in the attack, but who knew about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrav View Post
    "one way to the dagger's location" - a *complete* solution to the location is in the napkin code itself? was that the feeling you got? then the other ciphers (combined?) represent another solution? I kind of like that if true, multiple methods to the same location. Does anyone think the last line of the book indicates there's a body in the trunk, and that she killed again? or is it just comical relief? For her to put a '?' on the last line means that she's undecided whether someone else needs to be killed, but the last line in the story is suggestive. Is there a peripheral figure among the characters not directly involved in the attack, but who knew about it?
    SG has said he put several directions in the book that all lead to the same location. I think I may have a general location but do not know which specific one to look at yet. I am waiting for him to release a clue in March and see if it verifies anything. I also asked him if the napkin code can be solved from the story by itself and he said a little yes and a little no.

    I took the last line as humor although it is hinted at that another murder will be commited. If I had to guess I would say the future murder would be the Mayor as he kept the gangsters out of jail for all those years.

    As far as a peripheral figure I think that Donald Grayson knew about the attack and that is why he switched the jewels. He says when he sees her again it will be where the jewels are hidden and the gift he gives her is one of the jewels from the heist. I think when he got back from his trip he was going to tell her that he did it for her as revenge but he gets killed before he can tell her. That also would explain the nurse at the airport.

    I know you mean't someone who was alive when Kathleen writes the napkin code. Possibly Clay knew about the attack? He said they all hung out as kids so he may have been at the pool party. Could Kathleen blame Clay for not stopping the attack... but why would she be dating him all that time? Maybe to get revenge against the father and the son?

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    Default Dewey?

    SOme of these numbers, especially the CD621, looks an awful lot like the old dewey decimal system used by libraries to classify books., Thus, CD 621 would be a book by C. D. with 621 being applied sciences or physics. Things like cars, planes, trains.

    These numbers typically included decimals like CD 621.34 for example.

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    Intersting thought. I have thought the Part 1 code may have to be used on another book in order to get a message. Maybe the Napkin Code is pointing us to the book?

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    Default Okay.... BACK to the Napkin Code for another go-round ~

    C01 _ _ _
    S _ _ _ _
    CD621 _ _ _
    B _ 1 _ _ _

    C _ _ _ _
    AC _ L - _ _ *
    PDN52 _ _ _
    ?00.J _ _ _ _


    Okay, so this is where we start... now, looking at the original code itself we have:

    8 lines of code broken into two 4-line sections
    The missing characters are as follows: 3, 4, 3, 4 & 4, 3, 3, 4
    For a total of 28 missing characters.

    Below the code we have 3 lines of looping "squiggles" that are: 7, 8, 6 (loops)

    If we group them in lines of double code we have:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _
    CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _

    C _ _ _ _ AC _ L - _ _ *
    PDN52 _ _ _ ?00.J _ _ _ _


    Each line is now missing 7 characters...

    If we group the lines into the 2 sections we have:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _ CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _
    C _ _ _ _ AC _ L - _ _ * PDN52 _ _ _ ?00.J _ _ _ _


    Each line is now missing 14 characters...

    And if we string it all together we get:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _ CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _ C _ _ _ _ AC _ L - _ _ * PDN52 _ _ _ ?00.J _ _ _ _

    So, I have tried replacing numbers with letters, letters with numbers, filling in the blanks with everything under the sun (in the book), changing the dots & dashes into morse code, mirroring the lines in all different groupings, combining it with the Part 1 code, and among other things - did the following...

    Removed all non-letter/number characters:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _ CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _ C _ _ _ _ AC _ L _ _ PDN5 _ _ _ 00J _ _ _ _

    Which left: - * 2? .

    So, I attempted to solve it, and got this:
    - * 2? . = U* not two question(mark).
    = You star not to question (mark).
    = You star(t) not to question (mark).

    So obviously.... I haven't gotten anywhere other than in my own wishful thinking!!

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    Default Clever!

    Mysty, At least you were able to get SOMEthing!

    Do you think it is a coincidence or red herring that the initials match the victims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysty View Post
    C01 _ _ _
    S _ _ _ _
    CD621 _ _ _
    B _ 1 _ _ _

    C _ _ _ _
    AC _ L - _ _ *
    PDN52 _ _ _
    ?00.J _ _ _ _

    Okay, so this is where we start... now, looking at the original code itself we have:

    8 lines of code broken into two 4-line sections
    The missing characters are as follows: 3, 4, 3, 4 & 4, 3, 3, 4
    For a total of 28 missing characters.

    Below the code we have 3 lines of looping "squiggles" that are: 7, 8, 6 (loops)

    If we group them in lines of double code we have:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _
    CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _

    C _ _ _ _ AC _ L - _ _ *
    PDN52 _ _ _ ?00.J _ _ _ _

    Each line is now missing 7 characters...

    If we group the lines into the 2 sections we have:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _ CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _
    C _ _ _ _ AC _ L - _ _ * PDN52 _ _ _ ?00.J _ _ _ _

    Each line is now missing 14 characters...

    And if we string it all together we get:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _ CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _ C _ _ _ _ AC _ L - _ _ * PDN52 _ _ _ ?00.J _ _ _ _

    So, I have tried replacing numbers with letters, letters with numbers, filling in the blanks with everything under the sun (in the book), changing the dots & dashes into morse code, mirroring the lines in all different groupings, combining it with the Part 1 code, and among other things - did the following...

    Removed all non-letter/number characters:

    C01 _ _ _ S _ _ _ _ CD621 _ _ _ B _ 1 _ _ _ C _ _ _ _ AC _ L _ _ PDN5 _ _ _ 00J _ _ _ _

    Which left: - * 2? .

    So, I attempted to solve it, and got this:

    - * 2? . = U* not two question(mark).


    = You star not to question (mark).


    = You star(t) not to question (mark).


    So obviously.... I haven't gotten anywhere other than in my own wishful thinking!!

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    Not that I have an answer to that question..... but I will say I've tried using the "7 (dead) character's" names & initials in the code to no avail... (yet anyway).

    My first take on it is that it's a complete red-herring. Not only do they not all seem to fit in any order - even if only using initials, some would have to be reversed - but that even if we WERE able to fit them all in perfectly... that doesn't seem to aid in a complete solution to the code either?

    I tend to believe that even if SG actually gave us ALL the 28 missing "characters" that belong in the code... we would still be trying to decipher exactly what that means in the way of a solution?? The completed code itself appears that it may still need to be de-coded to understand it in any meaningful way ~

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    Default Nothing is as it seems

    My approach to the napkin code is that if nothing is as it seems then up can be down and first can be last. That is why I think the postcard is misdirection. I think it is there to keep us focused on the lines as they are on the napkin, not as they should be read.

    For example start with line eight. It is very unusual for a sentence to begin with a question mark but common for it to end with one.

    ?00.J _ _ _ _ should probably be _ _ _ _ J.00?

    Also, if parts of lines one and two are turned upside down then they can be read as Morse Code.

    I have odds and ends but the whole is not coming together for me now.

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