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    Except instead of sliding the columns and rows back and forth as in the sliding puzzle, it would be rotating them around a cylinder in a single direction, not taking out the Q.

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    Hi Spiggan-

    I tried a version of that yesterday after we posted about it. I tried moving rows to the right and columns down, starting in the upper left and going down/across right, and then coming back left/up. I also tried reversing the down/right on the "way back".

    I do like this because it used 19 pairs of commands. And there is no ambiguity on the buds...0 and 10 mean the same thing.

    I haven't tried the same thing with Left/Up.

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    Spiggan-

    I will add that when I was trying the Col/Row pair shifts, it revealed some tantalizing word fragments. It definitely deserves some more playing with.

    Note that without RDIX's scratchpad, you can easily shift rows and columns in MS Excel, or even by manually cutting up the grid into 100 letters. Scrabble tiles are also good for this exercise, but you may need to tape on some additional E's, if I recall...
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    Elrohir I like your idea---it explains ADVENTURER rather well, and accounts for the use of the flower pairs to decode the columns and then the rows.

    The bolderization/mirroring of some of the stem pairs might make it a bit more difficult, but your general strategy looks logical to me. Some permutation may be what solves this.

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    Thanks for the tip on the Scrabble tile shortcut. I'll do that, because it sounds like it'll be fun even when I fail!

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    i tried this, is thier a program for doing this type of code the right way?

    i corrected the rows to make treasures.

    enrvaduet
    ghyotqgne
    cadnslart
    eiuvanfkn
    treasures
    wsbmealsu
    etrmgersw
    ifsleoale
    bxnletnyw
    dtiiehoei

    thiers more than one way.

    enevadurt
    ghnotqgye
    carnsladt
    eikvanfun
    treasures
    wssmealbu
    etsmgerrw
    iflleoase
    bxyletnnw
    dteiehoii


    row2 can make 'hey not Q gg'.

    the flowers could be used as key words to put rows back in order like treefinders counts.
    row1,row6,...

    the 9x10 could be converted back to a 10x9.
    then when column2 is fixed.
    the 8x10 would be done next.

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    i just got the book Codebreaker_Stephen Pin++++++++++++++++++++

    polyalphabetic ciphers
    vigenere's autokey cipher. using adventurer.
    has anyone tried the Kasiski examination. page 73.

    lineing up the ciphertext in the same number of columns as the key. sounds like clue3.

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    i was doing some practice hidden keyword cyphers.
    i was trying to think of a reverse method to make cypher text out of five colors.

    roybp
    oybpr
    ybpro
    bproy
    proyb

    like a V.cypher

    adventureradventurer
    rorobpoyrpropypropbpyropr.

    not shur the right way to read the flowers.
    i think the grid still has to be anagramed the right way.
    if the current grid is colored like.
    roybp.roybp
    oybp.roybp.r

    on the practice ones i wrote the substitutions backwards for the ct: and pt: it didn't
    give the key word but the pattern looked like different sections of a V.cypher scrambled.
    it might be a way to analize a V.cypher.
    i put the ct: in alphabet order instead of the pt:.

    another idea for the 5 colors overlaps with dar but still not shur the right way to read
    the second flower.

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