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I'm probably way off-beam, but I wonder if the yet-to-be-discovered 'third thing' that we need appears in all but two clues?

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Hi Passepartout, welcome to the party.

Can I just ask .... when you say "appears in all but two clues" are you thinking about the pages with the pictures and a border of A/S letters as the clues? Up to now, I've been linking together the picture pages with the opposite pages of text. I liked these as they all start with an A/S capital letter.

Trouble is that "Winnie" hinted that we were looking at the right pages as well as the wrong ones. This got me thinking that the text pages were the wrong ones and should be ignored.

Be interested in comparing thoughts.

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Thanks... I agree, the right pages/wrong pages could mean many things... e.g. the right pages are literally right - i.e. those on the right-hand side, i.e. the word-square pages... or it could refer to the bird & fish... the bird and fish (clues 3 & 1 are both bronze clues... or the bird is in a circle, whereas the fish/river picture isn't...

Here's something though (apologies if this is common knowledge already) - when we do find an answer, I suspect we have to omit the letter found in the river/fish clue, as it makes reference to 'herring-bone' and the answer to that bronze question is 'red', hence that clue is a red herring. Or so I suspect at any rate.

I've been working on WT for months, without any success as yet, though it's probably the best 10 quid I've spent for ages, the amount of time I've spent on it. Thoughts have ranged from Arthur's round table to counting letters in all manner of ways, to using the pictures (the last being from 'guards of six or twenty' - answers to clues 6 & 20 being Act of Union & Picture Palace = unite the pictures).

However, Winnie says we should be broad as well as focussed. He dropped what may be a cryptic clue - 'choose one pearl of wisdom, it's all you can handle' - made me think 'pearl handle', maybe a clue to the treasure. However, it's all pretty much straw in the wind to me as yet - no real success.

Another thing is that the poem has 24 lines, reflecting the 24 hours in the day (through which clocks keep turning). So does the introductory page for that matter.

Passepartout

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Thanks Pasepartout, some interesting thoughts to absorb there.

I agree with the red herringbone. When I visited the site, I found no such pattern of bricks in the wall (certainly at this location - there were some a couple of hundred yards upstream), which kind of confirms that we have to ignore this page. Also, when we were researching the bronze questions, we asked the museum curator about these tiles, and he said that he wasn't aware of them !!

Your comments on "pearl handle" are interesting. Up to now, I had thought this referred to "Opal's" posting previous, and that Winnie was pointing us towards what Opal was saying ???

Time (back & forth) and clocks seem to play an important role in our answer. I wondered if ths was Winnie's "third thing" and that we needed to look at the actual clock shown ??

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We couldn't find the tiles in the wall either! Well, there are a couple of red ones here and there, but nothing herringbone-patterned, I quite agree.

The clock seems to show 2:17 or 2:18, but that would seem a reasonable time of day to take a photo so may just be coincidence. Couldn't find anything there (though that's not to say there isn't!)

At one point I was convinced that the prize was the missing head of the black swan on the Lloyd's building! I'm not any more though - just goes to show how one's brain can go off at a tangent

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I'm a bit dubious about the "guards of six or twenty" clue. First of all, Winnie talks about "guards" ... I personally don't subscribe to the previous thoughts that these are the numbers 5&7 etc. Because we are told that there's "treasure there" I think we're looking for something in Winchester. Similarly, we're told "six or twenty" so I think there are two separate things here, which we don't combine.

I've looked at dates in the text for our "back and forth through time" to no avail. I like your 24 lines in the poem, perhaps we have to re-arrange these ?

Have you considered that the prize might be a replica of an actual gold artifact?

Broad as well as focussed led me thinking of the Broadway & Aelfred's statue.

What is really bugging me is that nowhere can I find a "way in" to the puzzle that has a confirmer to say it's correct.

7. I keep thinking about the prize being made of gold, of great value, and recently found. All archaeological finds in the UK have to be turned over to the gov’t, though the finder does get fair market value for the item(s). An example of this are the golden torcs and broaches found a little while back near Winchester. This leads me to believe that the find can not be a physical thing, but still something of value. There is no way the gov’t will allow a significant archaeological find to be given out as a prize for a contest.

Having said that I am trying to have my Pi and eat it too with this mystery.

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## 2 pi in a circle

I'm quite surprised that no-one has come up with the answer to the clue:

"But, mathematically, there are 2 pi in a circle"

The answer, surely, is very easy. Just divide 360 by 2 pi and what do you get?

1 r****n

However, I haven't got a clue how to use that information but Winnie seems to set great store by it....

9. I just saw this and have no clue as to what this hunt is about.

so this may be usless..but all these appear to be either streets or locations.

St. John's, St Mary (Magdalen) look like Roads. Pilgrim is a school.

Not far from the Statue of Alfred the Great.

Quite a bit more of the lines have various references to other locations or roads. Don't really feel like listing them all.

But if Alfred faces the Minister, (directional) perhaps all of these are a way to triangulate on the hiding place.