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Yes, I've been thinking about that bird. Trouble is, I've not been able to link it to a fish. I reckon they're both together somewhere ??

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Did you have a good holiday Winnie - or is it now raining for 40 days and 40 nights?

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Oooooooo. You cheeky piggy! You know it's not St. Swithun's day yet.

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Pitter Patter ; Pitter Patter - Winnie of Winchester

5. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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So, we need to be broad as well as focussed.

Could this mean we need to use a bit more lateral thinking, in which case as we have been working on maths, how about we need to change the letters round the border to numbers? We haven't used numbers at all yet although there are many in the text given by dates.

I'll let you know if I come up with anything.

Opal

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Yes, I reckon you could be right. I've been looking at the "offsets" on each page, as each sentence starts in a different place. Could these be translated into numbers?

You see, we have several things that we think we've found. We know we're looking for a keyword, and hence a code, and although we can make guesses as to what that keyword is, it's useless unless we know how to use it. I've been playing around with vigenere squares, and now I'm so desperate that I'm thinking about vigenere rectangles

So, it's back to the numbers for me.

7. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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Well, no luck so far with the numbers!

I think it could be many moons before I solve this one, having said that, the most prominent circle in all of nature is the SUN! This being the likely symbolic meaning of the circle number pi in ancient Egyptian Numerology.

In TWT we have a pub called 'The Eclipse' we are told it was called The Eclipse because 'The Sun' was once opposite. Winnie has spoken of the 'Sun' shining in Winchester, plus Monday being a holiday. The word Monday derives from MOON - day. So should we be thinking about Astrology or Astronomy?

Found this website that maybe of interest. www.recoveredscience.com/const123Pisunphimoon

There again...

8. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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If you can open the web address go to 'Constants'.

Nice find! It combines pies, opposites and Italy's sun.

10. Originally Posted by Hog
We know we're looking for a keyword, and hence a code
Using 2 lines of the poem there are three possible references to ciphers:
"Italy's sun, France's snow"
"And come to rest in this fair place"

Italy's sun could be read as Italy's son who was Caesar, hence Caesar shift (who knows which shift, maybe 6 or 20)

France's snow - snow in French is neige, with a lot of imagination it could refer to the Vigenere cipher

fair place could be talking about a Playfair cipher