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    Yes, nice link indeed - well found Opal. I think this could merit some serious research.

    Thanks for the three codes Gabi. I've been thinking away from the Caesar shift, as we've Winnie's hinted that we need a key. But certainly the Vigenere and Playfair ciphers are worth a great deal of thought. Like you, I think this must be what the word "neige" is meaning, as I've looked through the biggest dictionary I could find without finding any other meaning in English.

    Incidentally the only fish I could find in the book, was one mention of trout in the river.

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    In fact the Vigenere cipher is an example of Caesar cipher, so the both parts of the line "Italy's sun, France's snow" could be pointing at Vigenere.

    If that is the case we need two things a key word and a text where to apply the cipher.

    I would think that the text are the letters in the squares. But all of them or just some?
    630 letters seem too many to explain what the treasure is and where it was hidden.
    And if some, which ones? The fact that each sentence starts in a different position makes me think that we have to follow the sequence of pages, as in the letter in the first square in page 5, followed by the letter in the first position in page 6... Another possibility would be letter in the first position in the page with the question B1, followed by the letter in the first position in the page with the question B2...

    The first step has to be figuring out the key word. Is it in the poem, in the text or in the images? Or is it simply Winchester? Or even Da Vinci?

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    I have spent stupid amounts of time trying to get sense of these letters using a vigenere code. I agree totally Gabi, that the ciphertext has to be obtained from the letters round the pictures. I've started at the first picture page - used every combination starting in the tlhc, then I've tried one letter from this page, one from the next etc. I've used every keyword that seems logical from the book - all to no avail. Then I started again from the "crypt" page, duplicating everything. - Nothing - Zilch

    I'm absolutely sure that a standard vigenere square is not the way forward here - mind you, if Winnie has put his own variant code ...... but if he has, I can't see what it is, so I don't think that's the answer. I think the fact that each sentence starts in a different place around the pictures is highly significant, but I think we need to discover more before we can apply a code.

    Any ideas gratefully received

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    I barely have time to try the different ideas I have about this puzzle so I just post them here and if someone else wants to try them go ahead.

    What if what we have to apply is a variant of Vigenere in which instead of a key word has a different caesar for each letter, being that caesar the position in which the sentence starts in that page.

    If we were to use the letter in the top left square in each page it would be like this:
    page 5: letter T, position 1 --> U
    page 6: letter Q, position 4 or 18 --> U or J


    Something else, the place to start is where the faintest sound is heard. That could mean two things, that we have to start decoding in the page about the crypt or that the key word (we need a key word before we can do anything else) is in that page.

    And why do we need to count the places that we see? Maybe starting at the crypt in that page we have a caesar +1, the following place visited would have a caesar +2...

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    Winnie has hinted that the "key" to success is something that we've never mentioned on this thread. So ..... numbers and cipher types could be forgotten at the moment, until that is, we have the key

    So, what haven't we mentioned - as far as I can see, we've talked about each of the locations on the 21 pages. So are we looking for something that is referred to in the texts. Can't be the Cathedral or that window - so what - maybe a person in the text

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    Is anyone still working on this hunt? No activity since June? Well, summer is winding down and there will be more time for indoor treasure hunting as it begins to get colder. I hope people come back to this one.

    Hey Winney! Been a little lonely lately? Or are you just enjoying the summer vacation. I'm ready to start the hunt again.

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    What's all this about pies??

    Forget that.

    Opposites attract... how about the north and south poles of a magnet.


    St. Swithun's day is 15th July.

    Come on guys get back on track. There's a puzzle to solve here.
    I keep telling myself "There's more to life than this damn quest"

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    Just a thought.

    The 6th and 20th letters of the alphabet are F and T.

    Guardians of these letters would be E, G, S and U.

    Anagramming these gives USE G

    A hint for one of the cyphers?
    I keep telling myself "There's more to life than this damn quest"

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    I've been looking through the book for bird and fish to which we must "pay heed":

    B2 - Falcon (text), 7 or 8 Doves (illustration - top), Falcon (illustration - bottom).The falcon appears to be pointing to the letter 'N'.

    By the way this is the page about Eleanor's Garden. There is a species of falcon called Eleonora's Falcon (Falco eleonorae).

    B3 - Black Swan (text)

    S6 - Diver (as in Great Northern, Black-throated or Red-throated)

    Isaac Walton wrote the fisherman's bible, entitles 'The Compleat Angler'

    B8 - Trout, Herring (both text)

    B10 - St. John's Hospital - former Museum of Stuffed Birds

    More spurious links would be Monk(fish), Bishop and Cardinal (both birds) and pope (fish)

    From the poem Italy's sun = sole (fish)
    I keep telling myself "There's more to life than this damn quest"

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    I'm very disappointed with you all! You should have solved this by now. Course, that might mean you're all thick - but I can't believe that.

    So, Happy New Year to you all and make a resolution that you'll try harder.

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