# Thread: And the WINNER is.....

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## 6 or 20

Well, no breakthroughs. I really thought I had it! But I cannot find anything connecting ____ ___ with Winchester.

So as an aside, here are my thoughts on those guards of six or twenty. I suspect it isn't essential to understand the meaning of this line in order to solve WT - but then what do I know. Anyway, I have myriad possibilities - hopefully this will help someone...

(Firstly, I should point out that I'm assuming that 'Pass' should read 'Past')

i) 6th & 20th battalions, could refer to Military Museums
ii) clues 6 & 20 - Guildhall & St. John's
iii) 6 or 20 could refer to letters of the alphabet, so 'F or T' = FORT guards. However no fort in Winchester it would seem (bar reference to de Montfort)

...and another couple which I will keep closer to my chest... one concerning royalty and one concerning time.

Anyway, speaking of time, it's time for lunch.

Passepartout.

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Hi P,

Heartfelt commisserations ...... sounded like you were really onto something there.

I have to say that the "guards of 6 or 20" are eluding me also. I had a couple of possibilities, one of them being the military museum. In the Greenjckets museum, there are actually 6 different museums each one connected to a different regiment. So keen was I on this, that I made a special visit, hoping to realise what the "OR 20" meant ..... Ha !! Nothing could I find.

Coming back to Winnie's latest hint, I also found a couple of words, but they're different to yours (according to your latest post). Trouble is, mine have so far, also led absolutely nowhere. Isn't it amazing how many cul-de-sacs there are in Winchester.

Winnie says, we have to think how to solve a crossword .... the only thing that I can think of is that we have to solve the cryptic clues ....... well we've been trying that without success for two years now (hee hee).

Incidentally, I've also been working with the sounds of the words (pass / past) for all the good it's doing me !!

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I agree Hog, there are many cul-de-sacs indeed... I have been trying a new theory, which follows the poem's instructions more, but isn't revealing any results as yet.

FYI, here are some thoughts on the the last verse - I don't believe these are correct any more, but they have cost me a fair bit of lost time, so for what it's worth:

'...sound - Ah! The place to start is found!'

Spent ages looking at whether this referred to the 'sound' of either:

'Ah' - i.e. the letter 'R'
'Ah! The' - i.e. Arthur (of round table fame)

but without any success. It looks like it may really just refer to the Sound clue after all. Or maybe 'Did you hear the faintest sound?' is just a more general 'can you find how to proceed?', which was chosen because it rhymes well with 'Ah! The place to start is found'.

Who knows? I don't!

Passepartout

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Yes, I've also gone through the poem with a fine tooth comb, looking for "sound alikes" after Winnie kept mis-spelling his clues. Like you, I also came to the conclusion that "Ah-the" was a non starter. Some time ago, Winnie told us that once we had found the correct way in, we would find another clue that would help us on our way (or something similar). I'm therefore pretty certain that when we find "it" we will know .... it'll be obvious. There are of course so many Kings connected with Winchester, but after all, Alfred seems to be 'our' King .... we have his statue in the Broadway, and it was after all, his capital.

Certainly the Sound statue in the crypt is very intriguing. The Cathedral is full of history .... it's mentioned in the poem (passing by .... church) and Winnie has directed us there by asking us to identify the 'window that you cannot see'.

I like the pictures, but do we count the numbers on each page, or the total throughout the book? and I hate to think of the number of times I've tried to link them to the surrounding text.

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Ahh. Last night I had one of those thunderbolt from a clear blue sky moments. I think that after 15 months I may finally - FINALLY - know what to do. I was wrong before, but now I'm sure I'm right.

More anon...

Passepartout

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Okay, why innit working? Hm. It will yield though. Soon I hope.

Passepartout

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After the bravado of my previous post, I stand before you with tail between legs. I'm closer to solving it than I was before - but as a result, I feel further away than ever!

Good luck all,

Passepartout

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Well done in making a breakthrough ... even if it's not resulted in the solution, as you say, you're closer than you were.

Good luck.

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So this puzzle is still going on? Or so close to a solve I shouldn't try? I just got dragged into this by a dedicated puzzle hunter, and was looking at the different contests offered.

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Hi Sungazer,

This is certainly an intriguing little puzzle. well worth a try I reckon. Which side of the herring pond are you in, the States or the UK?