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    The rules state that the grand prize won't be awarded until all other prizes for puzzles 2-11 have been awarded, or the game expires, whichever comes first. They go on to say:

    Please note that this is due to the fact that if one person solves a puzzle and we send out their prize, all they will have to do is buy more copies and then their friends or family will be able to claim all of the prizes for that puzzle. This helps to ensure the integrity of the game.

    I imagine this has more relevance to the 10-11 puzzles, since they're of the highest non-grand prize value.

    If someone were to submit a grand prize claim, or a puzzle 10 or 11 claim, wouldn't they be of sufficient skill to be confident in their entry? At least enough to spread the word to help their friends and family claim the additional prizes at low risk (the price of a book)?

    In fact, a grand prize claimant could potentially speed up their award by releasing all the solutions to puzzles 2-11 to the general public. Imagine solving all 12 puzzles in the first year and then having to wait 5 more years for the rest of the world to catch up to you before you could win the top prize. Sounds like a good motivator to circumvent the rules.

    Does Ken have a way to protect against this kind of conduct and theoretical loss of profit?

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    I've had similar thoughts. Something doesn't quite seem right here. Don't those rules imply that someone could have already submitted all 12 correct solutions and is just waiting? And the grand prize is no longer available. Also, if someone solves enough puzzles to turn a profit can't they just tell all their friends/family to buy the book and turn profits as well? Also - how is Ken planning on stopping people who use computer programs?

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    It would be nice if his website included a counter for the number of prizes available at all levels. I know the lower prizes list the winners, but the higher ones won't be available until they're all claimed, and there's no information on the highest ones until the grand prize is awarded.

    Also, an indicator of whether any grand prize claim had been verified would be nice.

    Of course, I don't really expect either of these to be implemented. It seems this information protection is cleverly designed to maximize book sales over time. Strong work!

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    Computer usage prevention is another good question. Section 39 of the rules state that

    Once a winner for any of the puzzles is identified, you must be able to prove that you used SKILL and INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY to be eligible to receive your prize.


    I haven't gotten my book yet, so I don't know what if I'm about to say is relevant. After reading this board it sounds like you start with a bunch of numbers and end up with prose. In my experience the solution to this type of puzzle has a lot to do with luck or following hunches. Eventually you hit on something promising and see where it leads. It's more about looking at the problem holistically and getting a "feel" for the patterns and following your gut. I'm not sure how you could show that you didn't arrive at a solution using a computer if you just got lucky at some stage of the solution. Or is that a valid argument for your INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY? "Uh, I kept staring at it and eventually the answer jumped out at me". This has happened to me many times =).

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    The puzzles get very complex as you get to the higher ones. There is pretty much no chance (unless your a rainman) you will be able to just 'get lucky' and solve it. they higher puzzles, especially 6 thru 12,
    will take many trial and error attempts to solve. I am sure Ken will want you to go thru the steps you took to solve the puzzle. for the last couple I am sure he will want you to discuss your thought process and go step by step thru the solve. This would not be unreasonable considering the prize to be won. This will basically prevent anyone from using any kind of solve programs to brute force the answer (though I really don't think there is a way to do that because of the complexity of the last few puzzles. As far as giving out the answers to your friends and family, there really isn't any way to prevent that other than ones integrity. I am sure the submitted solutions will be thoroughly scrutinized. If there are ten correct solutions from plainville usa all around the same time, then they will know something is fishy. The same would go if john, mary, jane and fred johnson all turned in the same answer around the same time...etc... I am sure there would be lawyers involved etc... really not worth the trouble.. just solve the puzzles on your own, collect your prize and be content...that is the Tao of Steve...lol
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    On 8th Feb Ken posted:

    Due to some concerns about people who may not be abiding by the rules, we will be making an addition to the rules which will add to the validity of our contest and will allow people who truly have solved our puzzles a fair chance as to prizes that they deserve.

    When we have updated our web site and have gone over all of the things that we need to, I will place a post with the exact rule changes.

    These rules will be of a benefit to all who try to enter our contest. It is crucial that people that deserve to win prizes be allowed to claim them without a few individuals attempting to try and "beat the system".

    I will elaborate in a few days. Please be patient while we make this update.
    Hi Ken

    Are you now able to elaborate on the proposed changes. It will make little difference to me, I am using a basic snails method of solving these puzzles. However since your post I have noticed a reduction in posts, perhaps due to rules uncertainty.

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    Ken, when will the update be made? Thanks.

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    Sorry for the delay,

    We are working on it.

    As soon as we have the final wording, we will place the post.

    Thanks for being patient.

    Ken.
    winmywpbhome.com is a book comprised of 12 puzzles. The winner will receive a home located in West Palm Beach, Florida and up to $2.5 million. There are also smaller prizes that total over $2.0 million. Good Luck to everyone.

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    NP, thanks Ken.

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    Put in rule #39

    To prevent collusion (IE. Sharing of answers) and the use of computers, a participant’s work papers need to be submitted and may be requested for solutions to puzzle numbers 6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12. Our goal is to award all prizes to legitimate winners. In an effort to protect the participants of our treasure hunt, we must take all reasonable measures to confirm that each winner actually solved the puzzle themselves.

    Work papers include but are not limited to all of the things that a participant has tried in order to arrive at their answers. People should mail this documentation to 295 Rt. 46 W. #207, Fairfield, New Jersey 07004. (Please feel free to fax or email your answer separately so that we receive your answer quickly.) The author and/or publisher reserve the right to discontinue requiring work-papers at any point in time.

    Sharing answers with other participants is not allowed and is grounds for immediate disqualification from the game for the person sharing the answer and the person receiving the shared information. Using a computer, software program or any other electronic, digital or technically enhanced process for solving any portion of any puzzle is not permitted and is grounds for immediate disqualification. To validate any/all winners to any/all puzzles, the author and/or publisher may require the person claiming a prize, to solve a verification puzzle in the presence of a formal representative of the author and/or publisher. This puzzle will be taken in a supervised room near the participants’ location (AT OUR EXPENSE) where they will have no telephone, internet access or computer access other than Microsoft word and Excel for organizational purposes only. The verification puzzle(s) will be equal in difficulty to the original puzzle to which a participant has made a claim towards.

    This is not an attempt to keep legitimate winners from claiming prizes but rather an attempt to keep dishonest people from taking prizes away from our legitimate winners.







    __________________________________________________ ___________



    As many people have seen, we are more than happy to award prizes to people. But it simply is not fair if one person claims a prize for a puzzle through dishonest means. It is taking that prize away from someone who has worked very hard on solving the puzzle. We will make every attempt to try and prevent this from happening.

    We have had requests to elaborate on the words (for organizational purposes only.) Our response is that there is no further elaboration needed. It means exactly what it says.

    We truly wish everyone the best of luck in solving our puzzles. We look forward to awarding all of these prizes.

    http://KenThePuzzleGuy.com
    winmywpbhome.com is a book comprised of 12 puzzles. The winner will receive a home located in West Palm Beach, Florida and up to $2.5 million. There are also smaller prizes that total over $2.0 million. Good Luck to everyone.

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