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    I couldn't agree more. This brings to mind the solution to the web clue - "There are no intentional Red Herrings"! I take that to mean that all the drop-caps and pictures had solutions from the start, there are no pictures that have no solutions or are not part of the puzzle like in Masquerade (many incorrect solutions maybe). That also implies that the tokens were placed from the start, since if you had the solution for the picture early on and the token was not placed, then it would be a Red Herring.
    And now that he believed in them - he could see them. They were everywhere. Hundreds of them, some small and silly, others bright and beautiful.

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    The flour tin on page 41- West coast of Florida or western border of Montana?

    If there are no intentional red herrings, then perhaps there are more tokens, or Hurricane Ivan compelled MS to relocate at a token.

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    I can't remember where I read it (it may have been one of the bio articles on Mr. Stadther on the ATT site ) but back in June I read an interesting article that told all about how Mr. Stadther paid out of his own pocket to publish his books, and he went to 18 publishers who refused to publish his book, and when he finally was able to get the thing published, he experienced so many monetary hassles from the traditional publishing industry that he really came to really appreciate the idea of website publishing and promotion. Maybe one of you can remember where this article is located. Anyway, I think this means he was interested in publishing clues on the website from the beginning. Sure they are "extra" tokens, but he could have planned for them in the beginning and put their puzzles in the book along with the puzzles for the original tokens. The web clues could help solve those puzzles.

    I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

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    Forgot to add--Now that his book is popular, and he's getting more support from the book publishers, OF COURSE he's putting out more books, what author in their right mind wouldn't? But that doesn't necessarily mean his web clues don't tie in to the first book.

    I work in a bookstore, and I know how hard it is for first-time authors to get their books sold even if they manage to get it publihed. They have to spend a lot of time and effort promoting it. In fact, when we got the ATT book at my store, for months it mostly sat on the shelf ignored. I didn't even look at it myself until a customer pointed it out to me in June and I decided to buy it. It was selling pretty steady this summer, but not flying off the shelves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrohir
    I definitely agree Melsp79-- he has this planned down to the minute.  He has built in as many extensions as he needs to keep the hunt alive for as long as he deems necessary.
    Wow, its great to get such a positive response from such a well-respected fellow trover! I really appreciate your comments. Prior to the announcement of the Rusful token's existence, I did believe that the hunt was over. But now that we know there's a Rusful, the whole picture in my mind has changed. Why would he stop at Rusful? I'm not sure he'll go so far as to have all of the mates, but I do think there's an Ana, a Zac, maybe a Yorah....and possibly more.

    And, again, I believe that Clue #3 probably tells us more specifically what's still out there. I do believe that is how Clue #3 is related, and also that is why he won't just give us the solve. I think he just saw that interest in the hunt was waning, and he announced PART of clue three's information, just to get our interest back.

    Too bad I'm better at figuring out what people are thinking than I am at figuring out the answers to these darn clues!

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    Melslp---I missed something --what do you mean that he announced PART of clue #3 info. Please tell me what part you are talking about... thank you!!

    >>>I think he just saw that interest in the hunt was waning, and he announced PART of clue three's information, just to get our interest back. <<<
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    Gold - I think that MS made the announcement about Rusful because once Pook was found, most of us started losing interest in ATT. This is understandable, since we all thought the hunt was over. MS had already put the information about Rusful out on the web for us to solve, but no one was solving it, and many people were giving up trying. He may have become uncomfortable with this lack of interest in his game, and felt the need to spark some publicity to get people hooked again. So, he announced Rusful.

    Well, in figuring out how to decode the Rusful puzzle, we have learned the following: ATTs website states that clue four is the first of at least two needed to find Rusful, implying that clue number three is not needed for the Rusful solve. However, MS told us that clue three is still relevant. The only situation I can think of that would maintain clue three's relevance despite the knowledge of Rusful's existence is one in which other tokens also exist, and clue three informs us of all of them. I think that he didn't want to spill the beans all at once about several more tokens being out there, so he instead picked one - Rusful - and announced its existence publicly.

    Does that clarify?

    I do not believe that the solve to clue three that tomtom is posting is truly the solve MS intended for clue three. If you believe that it is, then my theory is shot.

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    Melslp79....I had not caught that bit about the 3rd clue being still important on ATT....thank you for bringing me up to date. I appreciate your imput--your idea sounds good to me about more tokens then just the Rusful one....like that thinking!!
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    But can we believe MS when he says that Clue#3 is still relevant?

    He told us there were 12 tokens. No, there are thirteen. Now there are fourteen. When is the truth about the number of tokens going to be told?

    He changed the rules after Pook was found; probably to keep book sales pumped up, but won't tell us whether you actually NEED the book to find this latest token (if it is even a token).

    He tells us that tokens are hidden in trees, but when one gets cut down (apparently months before the token is found), he can't be bothered to know about it. And it's not like it would have been difficult for him to know something was wrong....the correct solution was posted--when?--back in June? When a bunch of people tell you that they've searched your exact location several times, you really ought to haul your fat butt out there and see if there's something wrong with the token location.

    Of course there's the whole "day's drive" and "spread out as far as I could make them" nonsense. Not to mention "you might just find one walking down the street or across a field."


    So, no, I don't think we can believe MS when he says Clue #3 is relevant. I believe he wants to sell books, other books, t-shirts, caps, more books, book bags, book markers, more t-shirts....

    ...but I'm not so sure he really cares about telling us the whole and accurate truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhurak
    He changed the rules after Pook was found; probably to keep book sales pumped up, but won't tell us whether you actually NEED the book to find this latest token (if it is even a token).
    From the press release on the ATT website:

    "In making this announcement, Stadther carefully pointed out to his readers that finding the location of the Rusful token will require using the clues released on the Web site as well as the pages of the book."
    Wow. That seems pretty clear to me. Am I missing something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhurak
    When a bunch of people tell you that they've searched your exact location several times, you really ought to haul your fat butt out there and see if there's something wrong with the token location.
     

    I'm sorry, were you trying to state an opinion? All I could read was "rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude."


    Quote Originally Posted by Zhurak
    Of course there's the whole "day's drive" and "spread out as far as I could make them" nonsense.  Not to mention "you might just find one walking down the street or across a field." So, no, I don't think we can believe MS when he says Clue #3 is relevant.  I believe he wants to sell books, other books, t-shirts, caps, more books, book bags, book markers, more t-shirts....
    ...but I'm not so sure he really cares about telling us the whole and accurate truth.
    Imagine if clue three does mention the existence of other tokens besides Rusful. His statement that the clue is still relevant would not be a lie.

    The tokens would be found in states not yet used, which would definitely increase the chances that tokens are spread out and that there is one within a day's drive of pretty much anywhere. So the comments he made in reference to that wouldn't be lies either.

    We already know that the rules are different for Rusful - web clues were certainly never part of the other solves. The rules were also different for Pook. There was no Pook dropcap map. The coordinates gave us two numbers, in addition to the letters. And so maybe another twist is that these tokens aren't in knotholes. It's a possibility. And if it is true, if Pook really was placed in the ground intentionally, then Stadther has never lied. I believe that is what we will discover in the days to come.

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