# Thread: Reverse Engineer Time: PRAYER BOOK CROSS

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Q,

You'll also notice that the above-mentioned 'solid' solve has 25 letters in it. I'm trying to figure out the bit about 'code of numbers five to a side' as well in conjunction with the Rusful solution.

Doc

2. Very good, doc!

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Doc is the man... I have to agree the anagram wasnt a simple anagram, hell, I used a online anagramer, and it didnt even hit on Golden Gate at all, god knows why... we all know its an anagram of some sort, but what is the method of figuring it out, surely he didnt leave it to be guess work... this is like the J Baird SP (spelling?) the place was found through a simple anagram, but the solution book clued every1 in on the exact method to decode (way too much imo) much as the rustful clue has a method... I truthfully think Amy found that method, as decoding all the letters as presented is ridiculous guess work, itd be a puzzle that no1 can figure out unless they know the area and even then it will slip through most minds... Anyway Doc, you always are on to something, but Im as sure as you that a simple anagram wont do justice to a 24 letter solve without a method to the insanity... I wish I could ask you if you think there is more out there, but Im sure I know your answer, uberpuzzle ahead

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... this is like the J Baird SP (spelling?) the place was found through a simple anagram, but the solution book clued every1 in on the exact method to decode (way too much imo)
First time poster...

I have the Solution Book, and have read through it a couple times. I don't see anywhere that it expains an exact method, care to share page number? All I see is a way to decypher the "Dream Song"

5. Originally Posted by Doc
I need to get more focused here and in the New Topics thread--I've been rambling too much of late.

The 'solid' solve for Rusful should have been GOLDEN GATE PRAYER BOOK CROSS.

But, we have a PKNG rather than AEOOO.

I've noticed the following:

G = A + 6
K = E + 6
The N and P are both one off the 'O'.

I wonder if the letter selection method involves somehow changing the G, K, N, and P to the appropriate letters to produce the 'solid' solve.

Doc
Hi Doc -

(brilliant post, as usual) I've been playing around with the book-extracted center letters and their colors (this is fun). I do not think the assembly of these letters into the final solution phrase can be done without some other piece of info from the book. Unfortunately, I no longer own a book (chucked it into the trash in shreds - lol)

One *can* construct some reasonable phrases where there are no color repeats in each word, which is mildly interesting.

I do recall one of the drop-caps with colored squares in a grid that was never used. The colored squares were only subtely differentiated. Can anyone take a look if the colors are the same as the center-letter colored boxes in the starz clue? Ca an order be extracted. Or are these exact colors found anywhere else in the book from which an order can be extracted?

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Digitizer, if you're still around, can you put the center letters into the crosses on your drag-and-drop page?

Thanks!

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Must be bored on a Friday afternoon. With the hope that this truly wasn't a big anagram, I'm looking for ways to order those center squares.

As you all know, there are lots of light tan squares. When you look at how they are distributed, 2 oddball crosses jump out immediately. The first is the only cross with a light tan square in the center. The second is the only cross with no light tan squares. The centers for these are N and E, respectively.

So, what, maybe those are the first and last letters? The E could certainly be the last if the clue ends in GATE. But the N could be last if the clue ends in SGN (sign). I haven't seen any proposed clues that begin with E or N. Hmm.

So anyway, just looking for ways, given a starting cross, that the colors can contain information that indicates the next cross in the sequence.

Also, I guess I'm looking for ways to group the crosses by number of (and/or position of) light tan squares, along with ways to group them according to other colors present or position of other colors. I guess you'd anagram the "words" once you got them grouped.

I guess that's two ways I'm looking at:
- Indicate next cross in sequence by color (position and/or number)
- Group by color (position and/or number)

One problem though, you have to wonder, if GOLDEN and CROSS both appear in the clue, did he leave the "O" out of GLDEN, or out of CRSS? Hmmm.

Sorry if this sounds like a raving moron.

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At one point in trying to decipher clue 4, I extracted words that pointed to the page where Rusful (as the dragon) is in Ana's hair. (Don't have my book with me so not sure which page, think it's 77) If you look at the colorful background, you will notice all the colors from the Starz crosses are present. I saw this early on but could never figure out a way to sequence the colors and letters that made sense.

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line, went to this site to read on it http://www.crichtonmiller.com/the_dixon_relics.htm
and got and idea maybe we build a cross like the prayer book cross
circle and + just like in pics, i had posted the crosses pointing out
that there are 11 crosses that have blanks and 13 crosses with no blanks,two of the crosses
with the blanks have two blanks, one has the blanks N,and E, the other
has the blanks, E, and S, i think these go in the circle somehow.
worked on it some but no time now leaveing wont be back till mon. evening. i got prayer and cross by stagering the letters for the circle
in the cross ,i think the blanks are guides somehow. maybe someone can
try this, will work on it more when i get back lol

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A 'solid' solve of GOLDEN GATE PRAYER BOOK CROSS contains 25 letters. For fun, I placed them into a 5 x 5 grid.

G O L D E
N G A T E
P R A Y E
R B O O K
C R O S S

The letters from the Starz crosses works fine until you hit the middle square of this 5 x 5 grid. That center 'A' would have to originally be a 'blank' since the Starz crosses only contained 24 letters. I see no problem in being able to derive a final 25th letter for a 5 x 5 grid knowing how the Starz crosses worked in the first place.

I still don't understand the original letter sequencing mechanism. That is, how were we supposed to choose the order of the centers?

Doc