# Thread: Second Clue - Post Solution Talk

1. Alright, back to solving this thing. Any thoughts on a second way to attack clue# 2. I think that ..... well, i'm not sure.... lol... any thoughts?

-Lyric

2. Originally Posted by knuck2
Has there ever been a Rubik's cube-like puzzle that's 5 by 5 instead of 3 by 3???
http://www.dilaigraphics.com/rubix.htm

http://www.twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pid=411

This site might be posted elsewhere, but handy:
http://www.cut-the-knot.org/front.shtml

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IMO, this is why we haven't been able to find tokens. We over analyze everything! The 2nd clue has been solved. There is no more to this clue - it's over. It was posted in March, so that we know it's not a joke. Think simple - isn't that what he's been trying to tell us?

-pix

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Lyric - you're amazing! To think this clue was all about you? Brilliant! You crack me up.

-pix

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IMO, this is why we haven't been able to find tokens. We over analyze everything! The 2nd clue has been solved. There is no more to this clue - it's over. It was posted in March, so that we know it's not a joke. Think simple - isn't that what he's been trying to tell us?
I disagree. I think the board tends to stop at the most obvious solution without digging deeper. I'd "think simple" but MS is very very good at this. Things (this clue included) aren't what they seem.

6. Okay - after two new clues, we know that:

Crystal Pook is Thirteen.

And, There are no intentional red herrings posted in March not April 1

If you could pick the information you would glean from the next released clue (if there is one), what would it be?

I would want to know how the puzzles in the book work together - is there overlap in the use of the puzzles in the book - you know, do you use a puzzle to help find more than one token, or are the paths to the solution of each token location completely independent of each other....never using a clue/puzzle more than once.

Hope I'm making sense. I'm completely sleep deprived this morning.
(sunglasses to hide blood shot eyes)

7. your avatar cracks me up.

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I would want to know how the puzzles in the book work together - is there overlap in the use of the puzzles in the book - you know, do you use a puzzle to help find more than one token, or are the paths to the solution of each token location completely independent of each other
I'm working on this basic theory:

There is a high level 'grid type' method for deciphering either numbers or letters - not sure which yet.

For each token, there is a puzzle that needs to be solved. When solved it will spit out either numbers or letters that need to be used with the grid above to get plaintext.

Except for the grid, I doubt there is overlap among the puzzles. Solving one will get you a token but won't help you solve the others (except for confirming the grid layout and/or MS's approach to this).

Of course I could be completely wrong....

9. Originally Posted by turkeymonkey
As for lyrical's point about "posted," I agree, that's really weird. It would be super odd for MS to make a reference to the internet boards, esp given that plenty of folks working on the hunt have no idea about Tweleve. But who knows.
I think the phrase posted is referring to what MS posted on the official site....this clue itself and not anything posted anywhere else. So using the word posted isn't odd at all..it's very appropriate.

10. Exactly. The CLUE was "POSTED" by MS on his site. There are no intentional red herrings. Posted in March, not April 1.

POSTED refers to the clue. It does not refer to RED HERRINGS posted on internet forums in March. If it did, it would read "There WERE no intentional red herrings posted in March" and then the "Not April 1" part would make no sense.