# Thread: a code of numbers five to a side

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And here is also a spider and a fly...but maybe dragonfly? Hope I am not overwhelming ....but this is interesting if not anything else....

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Spider and Fly Problem -- from MathWorld
In a rectangular room (a cuboid) with dimensions 30'\times 12'\times 12', a spider is located in the middle of one 12'\times 12' wall one foot away from the ceiling. A fly is in the middle of the opposite wall one foot away from the floor. If the fly remains stationary, what is the shortest total dist
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SpiderandFlyProblem.html - 23k - 2002-11-

2. Originally Posted by Hunnytree
OK. Backing up here.
And I agree that each fairy is tied to a creature. We certainly know there are 13 drop caps with fairies in them.
I really want to think so too.

3. DOC- Funny thing! I was about to get your input on this by sending you a message to get your opinion.

Yeah, I actually derived my ideas from yours, but I only agree with some of it... I think the path might be correct, but the way of getting there is just way too confusing. I still don't get some of it.

I'll post more later on this afternoon about why... but to sum things up quickly I just think everything he wants us to look for is described in the companion book. I have been working on a big why list that i'm gonna post in that forum so I won't get too much into it here, but the directions aren't used in the companion book, so i'm a bit wary of using it. It's a very interesting theory, but the way that the directions are used is a bit convoluted and obscure.

Once again, i'm not saying that it's without merit... but for me I didn't see anything like that in the companion book so I'm not sure how it would work in the big picture.

David Blaine also hoped an 8 year old would find his treasure, but unless that 8 year old was a Games Magazine writer I don't think that would have happened. Cliff Johnson doesn't write for da kiddies.

Michael Stadther, on the other hand, is writing this for families to play together and the companion book was to encourage that thought process. In my opinion (just my opinion, now) if he were going to use that pattern as a clue, he would have given an example.

More and more I think that the main book holds the path and the companion book is the key. I absolutely HATE to say that, but I really think it's true. BUT the companion book has helped me with ideas that i'm incorporating into my 'hunt' for my family and friends this summer... so, at least for me, its got a two-fold use.

More will make sense when I post my comanion book key post later this afternoon. I'll post here when it's up. Have a BLAST in Kentucky, and we hope for your safe return from the celebration, Doc. Also, to this forum, thank you for running with this. It's very encouraging and, Hunnytree, thank you for your assistance as well. You are really making me believe in my original concept... but i'm still working on the one grid as well. Either one may be correct for all we know at this point in the game.

JC

4. Hope you enjoy Thunder Doc! Lot of people and is usually a great time, however tomorrow is supposed to be 45 and rainy in Louisville. Get there early if you can and find some shelter to set up camp in so you will stay dry. I for one cannot wait until the DERBY!

5. Posted my basic concept idea in the COMPANION BOOK forum under the thread: Factchecking the Companion Book (long). Some good ideas there. I really think the not-whole/knothole homophone is probably accurate to some degree. Many many MANY hunts use homophones like that (especially British ones).

JC

6. I'm glad to see we sparked some ideas from this. I realize the poem says ' a code of numbers 5 to a side'. But what can you do with a box full of 1's thru 5's? I liked the idea of the Alpha. because he is showing us letters in the box. So why not go with it. Hunnytree has got a good idea with different boxes for the different drop cap letter starting points. I was just trying to see if i could get all the letters in 1 box somehow that made sense. Then I actually was able to get the z and the s. I wanted the h really bad too.

Hunnytree - i like your ideas with the transparencies. Would be interested in seeing your results when your done.

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I really liked the idea of trying to get all the letters to fit in one box with the Z and the S but now I'm thinking that there is probably more than one box of letters. I know the poem says "A code of numbers five to a side" but couldn't that still mean that you would fill the box with letters as you are suggesting, and then use numbers to arrive at a specific letter? For instance on the pg. 100 mushrooms, use the coordinates to arrive at specific letters in the box. So, we would have to know how to fill in the box, either using the starting point letter such as the S or using a key word etc., and then use a code of numbers from another source to come up with either a phrase that makes sense, a phrase that is a cryptogram, or a phrase to be put through some other cipher in order to solve it.

8. Well, Doc, not matter who agrees with what or whom...

I darn honored that you chose me to use as your guinea pig.

Regards,
Hunnytree (i.e. just another lab rat)

9. ## Excel File

I finished the lettered grids. There are 13 - each one created from an overlaid 5x5 grid. I made each grid by overlaying a transparency onto the drop cap frame and drawing the frame onto the transparency. Then I measured the heighth and width of the frame and divided each frame into 5 columns across and 5 columns deep. Then with my now constructed grid on the transparency, I overlaid it onto the drop cap. I did one of these overlays for EACH DROP CAP in the book, because almost every one is a slightly different size from any other.

I could now see where the fairy in each drop cap was pointing to on my grid,,,,and THAT was where I put the LETTER OF THE DROP CAP into the grid for a starting point.

You're right, nori.....my "frame of reference"; i.e. an alpha flow downward, is merely a tactical manuever and could be adjusted to an alpha flow across the grid just as easily, if warranted,,,,results being the key operative. LOL.

I put all my Fairy Drop Cap Letter Grids into an Excel file. There are 13 grids, each grid is labeled with the coordinate I found to support where to put the starting letter.

Look at the Yorah Chapter. One might say,,,no way,,,that's not "grid-ish". But I say,,,,look again. It's a COLUMN. The rest of the COLUMNS are just not there to be seen. And it's ever so obvious that the Kootenstupit is pointing to ( if we accept the premise that it is a column ) in fact the box coordinate of Row 1, Column 1. Not rocket science here.

What I like about this concept....no,,,,, LOVE,,,,,is that if you gave a KID a ruler and laid out the problem....heck,,,my 7 yo 2nd grader grandaughter could figure this out !!!! And come up with the same stuff I did. She knows the alphabet, she understands ordering things, and she can use a ruler.

If anyone wants the Excel file with the 13 Fairy Drop Cap Letter Grids, just PM me with an email addy and I will send it to you. You might want to take the same information and create a worksheet with an alpha flow across the grid...the one nori kinda likes....and see what you come up with.

There is one other worksheet in the file that might be of interest where I link each Fairy Drop Cap to the hidden creature represented on that same page. I do have a bit of a problem with the Firefly. I know where the hidden fireflies are....but unfortunately I cannot see a firefly attached to a drop cap. If I've missed that somewhere....someone catch me up on it, please. Other than the firefly tho, and Pook, of course, # 13, there is a hidden creature attached to every drop cap. Maybe we are supposed to borrow the firefly from the W-Talking Trees, Chapter 5, pg. 28. Dunno.

Also the drop caps for pg. 69 and pg. 78 have fairies, but no creature attached. Nevertheless, there are 13 fairy drop caps with fairies pointing at something! Each drop cap has a frame. Each frame can be constructed into a 5x5 grid. MS gave the hints for drop cap grids on pg. 16 and pg. 45. Whether there will be any results from this exercise remains to be seen. As for me, I like what I can understand.

Anyway, if you want the file, give me a shout.

Regards,
Hunnytree

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Good morning from a very chilly morning in Louisville, KY at the Altitude Club inside the Louisville airport!

Hunnytree, I constructed my grids differently, but we're in agreement that there's a different grid for each treasure.

Now, construct the grid of numbers for each treasure.

Each treasure is associated with a dropcap letter. This dropcap letter is the 'starting letter' for each treasure--one of the ways that it is being used is to denote the '1' for each treasure's letter grid.

It's more or less the same concept as constructing the letter grids. If you know the placement of a single letter, you can construct the letter grids accordingly.

For the number grids, we're being given the position of the '1' in each grid via the dropcap letter.

For instance, if the dropcap letter for the grasshopper is 'Y', then for its letter grid, Y = 1, Z = 2, A = 3, etc. Just substitute the appropriate numbers into your grid.

Very Important: We skipped the 'Q' in the letter grids. Likewise, we will skip the number that substitutes for the 'Q' as well.

For the grasshopper, 'Y' = 1, then 'Q' = 19.

In this manner, you can construct number grids for each treasure that will contain the numbers 1 - 26, minus the number corresponding to the 'Q' for each individual grid.

If you're looking ahead a little bit, you now have the basis to solve the second instruction in the poem:

Within the text you have the key for the one that is missing you did not see.

We have a missing 'Q'. We have a missing number. We have the text that already contains the numbering system: the dropcap letter is the '1' when numbering the text.

Missing 'Q' = missing 19 = 19th letter of the text?

I think it's a 'key' to a Caesar shift.

Keep the faith....

Doc