# Thread: a code of numbers five to a side

1. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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## a code of numbers five to a side

Has it occured to anyone that this phrase itself has 25 letters? I know that's getting a little meta, but it struck me as interesting.

2. That fact slapped me in the face. But what order would you begin to put them into the grid? Color (there are four I am thinking with various numbers of letters for each color) doesn't seem to help. And it brings up the whole letter/number argument.

But never the less, I do feel like that line itself does hold a more distinct clue to the grid than just the size. Because it's a statement. Not, "Look for a code..." The line itself is: "A code of numbers five to a side."

I think I'm turning paranoid too!

3. must be the flu... I get 26... hack wheeze...
ok, 25... (whacks side of head so math section re-calibrates)

interesting

4. Junior Twelever Copper
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## numbers 0 through 9

if use numbers 0 through 9 that makes 10 numbers rather than omitting the zero and using 1-9 which is nine numbers total.
Figuring this all out makes my head spin. Christinemm

5. Ok. I'm gonna post this to get people's opinions...

But I am leaning more and more to the idea that each insect has it's own 5x5 code. I'm getting this from the only three 5x5 grids (actual grids I can find) in the main book and a speculation on the companion book that i'll hit in a few.

So Page 16 has a faerie holding a 5x5 and pointing to the 3/4 box. 'Z' is in box. This is assumed to be the ladybug page.

Page 45 has an 'S' and a faerie pointing to the 1/3 box. An ant can be found in this page as well.

Page 86 has a box with 8 black squares and no faerie, but has an 'H'. This page also has a Grasshopper.

Ok. Now to the companion book (that I wasn't going to buy, but I did anyways). I noticed that not only is M.S. posting the puzzles from the companion book, but he seems to be using every one in the main book.

Given that idea, I note his work on cyphers (pg 48-51) and the answers to some of the cyphers in the puzzles section of the book. Anyone note that he uses more cyphers in the companion book than he does any other puzzle?

The most logical way to use this "single clue for a grid) would be to use the pointing as a start point and run in sequence and then wrap. (i.e. answer #18 on page 99 companion book)

I must also say that I personally think that the rhyme of "5 to a side... 1 nary" means taking out 1 letter. 'One nary" and this is the 'Q' everyone's codes have been omitting. Nothing more.

Ok. So, if one were to assume that if the two puzzles we have starting points on run with those ideas we would get this for page #16:

N O P R S
T U V W X
Y Z A B C
D E F G H
I J K L M

And the code on page 45 would be:

P Q S T U
V W X Y Z
A B C D E
F G H I J
K L M N O

I could be way off, but I think the idea that each individual insect would have their own code would make sence for many different reasons.

Mainly so that one person doesn't solve just 1 code to find all 12 (13 with Pook) tokens... they would have to solve all the codes. This makes the book not only more of a challenge but does more with cyphers and lets each insect have a different puzzle... some have a cypher... the spider may have something else.

J.C.

6. How did you arrive at those variations of the 5x5? One starting with 'N' and one with 'P'.

Thanks!

7. My 2 cents on the 5 x 5 box: How about this for a configuration? combining both letter boxes and their letters:

C X S M H
D Y T N I
E Z U O J
F A V P K
G B W R L

My opinion is that there are not 12 or 13 different configurations for the different bugs. I cant see where you would get the information to fill the boxes. I think these are 1,2, or 3 possible different boxes in which to solve several different puzzles or clues. But not for all of them.

8. Junior Twelever Copper
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Siding,
That looks like a good idea to me. You started the Q-less alphabet where the fairy is pointing. However, can someone please explain why we are making codes of letters 5 to a side when the poem states it is a code of numbers 5 to a side? Thanks.

9. oh I just hate to do this but

why not

S...X...C...H...M
T...Y...D...I...N
U...Z...E...J...O
V...A...F...K...P
W...B...G...L...R

but as for the rest,,,I hear ya

10. So far I've got 3 more grids with the configuration you suggested, Siding, tweaked a bit....

your concept got me going...it was a strong one !! But, altho, I got your placement of the "Z" but I didn't get where you were going with the bolded "S"

anyway I thought about it,,,and this was another possibility...so...

here are the next 3

pg 20
O...U...Z...E...J
P...V...A...F...K
R...W...B...G...L
S...X...C...H...M
T...Y...D...I...N

pg 22
V...A...F...K...P
W...B...G...L...R
X...C...H...M...S
Y...D...I...N...T
Z...E...J...O...U

pg 25
L...R...W...B...G
M...S...X...C...H
N...T...Y...D...I
O...U...Z...E...J
P...V...A...F...K

I will give it more of a shot tomorrow most likely.

Wonder if this'll catch on....or if anyone else has already done it on the forum. If the mods catch it as a repeat...feel free to delete this post.

Regards,
Hunnytree