# Thread: As Long as it is wide could be a triangle.

1. Junior Twelever Copper
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Yes, height of a triangle from top to bottom. got it. no problem.
width of trangle from left to right. got it. no problem.

you would have to agree that this would have to be an equilateral triangle, a special sort of triangle, to fit this description.

There Are No Equilateral Triangles Anywhere In The Book, besides which you are dealing with one type of a shape here. Too complex.

All squares fit the description with no work involved. Simple.

As far as aligning the 15 to the 25, you are "cooking the numbers". You are trying to find the means with the ends. I agree that the renumbered set of 15 is super-neato. Perhaps something else in this puzzle fits 15 and can be used in conjuction with it?

I'm not ruling out the triangle theory...I'm just suggesting that there is far from enough evidence to support it, and all kinds of evidence to support a square.

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Seeing as i too went down the triangle route, how about this for evidence....the top spot in a triangle is typically occupied by 1. In our 15 number code at the start of the book, the number six is essentially in number one's position. If you look at the ruler shown throughout the book, you see that the number six is at the point where the ruler is bent, thus showing that number six would be in the top slot. Now, the "Save Our Trees Art" is 15 characters. This perfectly fits a 5 x 5 x 5 equilateral triangle. However, i think it needs to be transferred into a box...thus there are 10 missing letters/characters (15 is not half but it is not whole). Moreso, its possible that we only want to use Save Our Trees (12 characters) and then combine it with another 13 characters to make 25 (sort of like the two boxes, the first being 12, the next being 25 in the dream).

Anyway, that's just a bit of it, but there is reason to be believe that it could be a triangle. Lots of possibilities....

Of course, i've gotten nowhere with it, but i can see the line of thinking.

3. Woah, I think everyone needs to calm down and take a reality check. GAM is definitely on to something here! Jeez, I can't believe that the minute somebody questions the hole 5x5 square concept, everyone gets all bent out of shape.

So, "There Are No Equilateral Triangles Anywhere In The Book"? Um, how about the tools page? What kind of shape can you make with a compass (not to mention hinged rulers, T-squares, and other devices on the page)? Even more important, what kind of shapes are hidden all over the companion book? That's right, Treasure Trovers, triangles.

Now, to be fair, there are plenty of circles, stars, and squares, too. But I think we can all acknowledge that we've been working off the square 5x5 grid for well over a month and nobody has turned up diddly -- at least, nothing that they've been willing to post.

What has worked? Well, we got a morse code phrase, another word using vigenere, yet another phrase from anagramming with a number code, and a couple more simply by matching colored blocks. By far the most impressive find thus far came from connecting two sides of a page to get "There are Thirteen." Without a single solid lead using the 5x5 grid, why on earth would you rule out something as logical, as simple, as GAM's triangle idea?

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Bet you the triangles on Pook, page 93, far out number the squares in the book.

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I was going to post earlier on this, but I figured it would raise too much of a furor.

It could even be rectangles of all varying sizes!

The only reason I didn't say this is because I have no basis for it other than that it is possible. Certainly could be triangles, and probably more of a basis...although I still am on the side of the square just because of the 3 5x5 squares we see in the text.

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hey, drhass
I am posting tomorrow on Language of Faries, wanted to give you first chance.

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Originally Posted by drhass
I was going to post earlier on this, but I figured it would raise too much of a furor.

It could even be rectangles of all varying sizes!

The only reason I didn't say this is because I have no basis for it other than that it is possible. Certainly could be triangles, and probably more of a basis...although I still am on the side of the square just because of the 3 5x5 squares we see in the text.
Yes, but as someone else pointed out in another thread, those boxes are certainly not as long as they are wide. And neither are the boxes inside... at least not on two of them (the colored ones). I noticed it but didn't know what to make of it since everyone else was sort of on the bandwagon. again, it just raises more questions.

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## Vignere Code?

Someone mentioned that we have found a Vigenere code, but I have not found that one. I am pretty sure I found everythin gelse that is posted on my own, but this Vigenere code is new to me. I haven't found it posted anywhere else, so can someone please point me in the direction of the Vigenere code?

9. I'm tired of repeating the same thing, over and over, along with "use the *search* engine on this forum!"

10. ## Triangles

I have to be honest, I have started to think about using triangles more. But I think the tools page is the place to start. It always kind of bugged me how the picture seems to emphasize angles a lot. But somebody just pointed out in another thread a small theory about the 322 in the corner leaf:

http://www.tweleve.org/forum/viewtop...291&highlight=

I'm not as interested (right now) about how that tablet is written, but when I saw that it was directly related to the Pythagorean Theorem, I started thinking triangles again.

Maybe our goal is to construct a right triangle that can be reflected along the axis of it's "c" side to make a square... ? The problem with that is you have to start by thinking about 12.5 squares, comprised from 10 whole squares and 5 triangles ... ... i am liking the triangles idea right now...