# Thread: 5 X 5 Square or Box??

1. Junior Twelever Copper
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I had thought of magic squares a while ago, but I was origionally thinking of a magic square who's sides add up to 5, not with 5 numbers to a side..... anyway, I think a magic square is very possible because for one, MS tought math, so he would most likely be familiar with it. Also, there are 144 different 5th order magic squares.... (144 is 12^2). I have no idea how to apply this idea, but I think it's worth checking into.

2. I can't remember why I looked this up - two weeks in ATT time is years in real time. The magic box uses a set of non-repeating numbers to sum up to the same number in each row/column/diagonal. A magic carpet can use duplicate numbers to get to the same result. If you have a code that has some duplicate numbers, you are going for the magic carpet.

3. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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Hey diesel,

Matlab just spit out the numbers for me, I didn't select them. Does anyone know how many 5x5 magic squares exist? Or at least know the order of magnitude?

If you're asking about the substitution code, I just used a=1, b=2, c=3...

4. Originally Posted by Hunting4Treasure
Here's an online 5x5 Magic Square generator:
http://www.faust.fr.bw.schule.de/mhb...ack/mag5en.htm
Good find, H4T. I had looked but did not find the generator you did. With as many solutions as there are, now I wonder if the 5x5 magic square is as useful to us as I thought it might be.

Edited to fix my original error in editing the code for the quote from H4T...

5. Junior Twelever Copper
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By the way for those interested, the Rubik's Revenge is the 4x4 Rubik's cube. The 5x5 Rubik's cube as shown is indeed the professor's cube. Both of these are fairly rare, and even more expensive. Sad.

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## I'm in the dark

I don't have my book yet, so I don't know what everyone is talking about when they keep mentioning the grid or 5x5 and things like that. Can anyone clue me in while I wait for the book?

7. Welcome beetlebaby-

The best thing for you to do is to start reading through the forum. There is lots to read, but it is the best way to get up to speed. It will also make time go quicker as you wait for your book!

Sue

8. I have no idea how many possibilities there are, but my post on another thread might give you some idea:
http://www.tweleve.org/forum/viewtop...ighlight=#6391

Keep in mind, that's just with YORAH (in order), and only 2 examples... I could show you a total of 10 examples, not including reversed spelling or letters mixed up.

I haven't tried breaking up YORAH, to see if a Magic Square would still be possible. If it's *not* possible without the letters Y-O-R-A-H in *some* fashion in the *same* line, then we may just be onto something!

9. Originally Posted by ladyfeline
We do. "Crystal Pook is thirteen"-in the center. Box 13 is in the center of the square.
But that's only in this example! As I said in my previous post, there are a *lot* of ways to make a Magic Square, even with the word YORAH in correct order. But, if you're correct that 13 should be in the center square, then YORAH would not be spelled out correctly, but the letters are still in one line. There would still be several ways to have the letters Y-O-R-A-H (in some form) in the same line, including 13 in the center square. I don't know if 13 in the center square here is a coincidence, or if we should investigate it further... ?

10. Originally Posted by Nique
I had thought of magic squares a while ago, but I was origionally thinking of a magic square who's sides add up to 5, not with 5 numbers to a side.....
Are you saying *all* the numbers would be '1'?

1 1 1 1 1 = 5
1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1

Unless there's some hidden meaning to do that, there's nothing *magic* about it!