# Thread: New Outlook into the Box

1. as long as it is wide and not be square?....it never once said how tall the box is...just a thought.

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My problem with the diamond shaped box is that there are not "5 to a side" really. We are making the words fit the picture, not the picture to the words.

But I admire the thought...nice job!

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James, that is exactly how I have been working on the grid! Hopefully great minds think alike...I truly believe that this is teh key to the grid. However, I am not convinced that the grid is the key to the answers. Good job on explaining it....I could have never done it like that.

4. Originally Posted by blipe27
Whatever dead horse you beat, I missed---clue me in here---How is a box as long as it is wide NOT a square?
There was a thread on this board with a discussion of it being a triangle.

Look at this picture. For demonstration purposes lets say each little box is one inch. The outer edges of the box are 7â€x7â€. Take that away and the star is 7â€x7â€, â€œAs long as it is wideâ€.

Iâ€™m not saying that Iâ€™m on to something; Iâ€™m just trying to get people to see things a little differently instead of having blinders on and only looking at the 5x5 possibility.

-James

5. Originally Posted by lexloci7
My problem with the diamond shaped box is that there are not "5 to a side".
See the second picture in my original post.

-James

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## 2 box theory

Wasn't the box that helped him see things clearly in his dream? That whole section is a dream. It never said that he actually had posession of a box at that moment-he was still dreaming. Don't know if that helps anything, but thought I'd add it!

7. If you go on that line of thought, it could have been certain pictures/objects that when placed together, made a new picture. So maybe we aren't dealing with numbers or letters, but either text or pictures.

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## It's a mistake to assume it is a 5x5 box

Not once does the author state that there are 5 boxes on EACH side of the seemingly square box. Anyone familiar with the classic riddle "you have 2 coins that add up to 30 cents and one of them is not a quarter. What are the 2 coins?" The answer is a quarter and a nickel. Remember, only ONE of them is not a quarter, but the other one is. People assume that since it says one is not a quarter, then they both must not be quarters. MS uses classic riddles throughout the Companion Book and it is safe to assume there is more than one riddle in the story. He only states that there were smaller boxes (not identified as squares) in the the large box (identified as a square) arranged in rows, 5 to a side. Not 5 to EACH side, just 5 to A side. If we follow the logic of the old riddle, there are 5 rows and an unknown number of columns in the box. We can make an educated guess that there are twelve or thirteen columns, one for each treasure. If so, each treasure will have 5 clues throughout the book to lead you to an exact location. As an idea, the 5 clues might include:
1. Which treasure the clues in this column relate to
2. A general location (ZIP code, city, state, etc.)
3. A more specific location (park, statue, monument, land mark, etc.)
4. A map
5. An X-marks-the-spot exact location

Just a thought...

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Codebreaker,

Good line of thought. Ties into what Doc has been thinking. He uses four clues but there could always be an additional one that hasnt been taking into account

10. Originally Posted by cabunk
If you go on that line of thought, it could have been certain pictures/objects that when placed together, made a new picture. So maybe we aren't dealing with numbers or letters, but either text or pictures.
Okay, but isn't the 5x5 based on the part of the poem that reads, A Code Of Numbers Five To A Side? So whether or not the 5 to a side is a 5x5, a triangle, a moon/time circle, upside down, backwards, forwards, or out my window, we ARE still looking for numbers right? Because quite frankly I see numbers all over the place. Many many numbers and until I know what numbers are really numbers and which ones go together and to what creature for which puzzle, I'm just down right confused! I figure when all that is sorted out, THEN how the grid(s) should be will be easier to figure out.

I want to stick to the text but the pictures keep haunting me!