# Thread: Forum Progress on Box

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I know I'm late to this site. I tried to read a lot of the posts and haven't seen this anywhere yet. Just a thought. . . when I read the book for the first time last night and came upon page 59 which has "a code of numbers 5 to a side" I first thought of zip codes meshing together in a 5 by 5 grid. 5 across, 5 down, and 2 diagonal would equal the 12 jewels. Has anyone posted why this is NOT an option? I don't want to keep looking at it if it doesn't make sense.

Wonderful website. Thanks to all of you. I'll tell you anything I find. I just want someone to find one.
Deb

2. Junior Twelever +1 Bronze
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Doc,

I sort of agree with you about the "even" apart

Not sure about all of it but you atleast got me thinking.

The word 'tweleve'

It's and even number with a piece nary which inturn could be the chiper for the code? So maybe skipping 12 letters on Key pages would give you stuff to fill the box.

And who says it has to be letters going in the box? With 25 words you could really tell people everythign they needed to know. So each box could be filled with a word, skip twelve words and there is the next word. String them all togeter and you have the location.

It's really simple yet pretty elusive, so a 3rd grader could find it, it's got no special knowledge and ... I could go on and on and on...

Where do you start the chiper? That is a good question.

Just my two coppers
Chwbcc

3. Originally Posted by pooksniffer

Here is an example I created using a modified Vigenere (with "Q" omitted). Both plaintext and resulting ciphertext are English phrases.

Code:
```key =        | D O C T O R S E U S S S A M I A M
------------------------------------
plaintext =  | i d o n o t l i k e t h e m (note: shorter than keyword)

ciphertext = | G R E E N E G G A N D H A M

keyword with word separation: DOCTOR SEUSS SAM I AM
plaintext with word separation: i do not like them
ciphertext with word separation: GREEN EGG AND HAM

K (key) a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p - r s t u v w x y z  (plaintext)
------- ---------------------------------------------------
A     E B C D A F G H I J K L M N O P - R S T U V W X Y Z
B     B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P R - S T U V W X Y Z A
C     C D S F G H I J K L M N O P E R - T U V W X Y Z A B
D     D E F L H I J K G M N O P T R S - U V W X Y Z A B C
E     E F M H I J K L G N O P U R S T - V W X Y Z A B C D
F     F G H I J K L M N O P V R S T U - W X Y Z A B C D E
G     G H I J K L M N O P W R S T U V - X Y Z A B C D E F
H     H I J K L M N O P X R S T U V W - Y Z A B C D E F G
I     I J K L M N O P Y R S T U V W X - Z A B C D E F G H
J     J K L M N O P Z R S T U V W X Y - A B C D E F G H I
K     K L M N O P A R S T U V W X Y Z - B C D E F G H I J
L     L M N O P B R S T U V W X Y Z A - C D E F G H I J K
M     Y N O P C R S T U V W X M Z A B - D E F G H I J K L  ciphertext
N     N O P D R S T U V W X Y Z A B C - E F G H I J K L M
O     O P E R S T U V W X Y Z A B N D - F G H I J K L M C
P     P F R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E - G H I J K L M N O
-     - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
R     R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D K F G - I J E L M N O P H
S     S T U V N X Y H A B C G L F E Z - J K D M W O P I R
T     T U V W X Y Z A B C D G F E H I - K L M N O P J R S
U     U V W X Y Z E B C D A F G H I J - L M N O P K R S T
V     V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K - M N O P L R S T U
W     W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L - N O P M R S T U V
X     X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M - O P N R S T U V W
Y     Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N - P O R S T U V W X
Z     Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O - P R S T U V W X Y```
WhOaOaOaOaOaoA

That's a kwinkydink no doubt

Getting greeneggandham from other doctor suess stuff? too weird...

Not really following the thread, just caught my eye on that

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That's a kwinkydink no doubt
Nope...that's the whole point. It's not a coincidence - I constructed the modified Vigenere table to give that result, merely to show that MS could have done something like that too.

I'm really backing away from MS having done so though. It seems that a really wicked permutation of a 25x25 code table would be much too hard to discover...not without many other clues to help discover its construction.

I'm starting to think the code(s) will be more simple, once some other clues have been found. Perhaps a couple or several levels though. Maybe something that first requires us to encode something. Perhaps the jibberish we get will contain the 'UGFXJ' extraneous stuff from the blocks on page 63, thus hinting we have the right cipher. Then the next step would be to decipher that much larger message which contains 'UGFXJ' , perhaps with some other decryption method...just thinking out loud here.

5. Originally Posted by pooksniffer
That's a kwinkydink no doubt
Nope...that's the whole point. It's not a coincidence - I constructed the modified Vigenere table to give that result, merely to show that MS could have done something like that too.

I'm really backing away from MS having done so though. It seems that a really wicked permutation of a 25x25 code table would be much too hard to discover...not without many other clues to help discover its construction.

I'm starting to think the code(s) will be more simple, once some other clues have been found. Perhaps a couple or several levels though. Maybe something that first requires us to encode something. Perhaps the jibberish we get will contain the 'UGFXJ' extraneous stuff from the blocks on page 63, thus hinting we have the right cipher. Then the next step would be to decipher that much larger message which contains 'UGFXJ' , perhaps with some other decryption method...just thinking out loud here.
Yes, Pooksniffer, I also doubt that MS has created a super difficult cipher. It has to be simple.

Regarding the UGFXJ, I realized that those letters need to be there to make sure all letters (minus Q) are in that picture. I think that picture contains a link between colors and letters to be used in one or more puzzles.

6. a simpler code 'five to a side' would be the fairies hands.... but doesn't address the 'as long as it is wide' ...

just food for thought

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This is just a thought - i am new to this sight and am quickly reading through some of these posts, so i may be way behind. on pg 63- the leftover letters ugfxj and yckp - i took the letter that comes before it in the alphabet and came up with tfewi and xbjo or we fit j box? if wet job x? i don't know - just thought i'd share my confusion

8. you got most of it, we all got "we fit box j ny" the letter-before-shift is called a caesar cipher -1

Welcome to the hunt!

9. actually, forget the "ny" i think...

10. Needs to say Hello!
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Thanks lycaon,
I am feeling way behind you all in the book and intellectually, but I am still having fun.

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