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about the openings in the box around the O, now I know doc has to be on to something with them being north south and stuff, but did anyone else notice that some of them are slanted on BOTH sides? If I'm right about this then it would mean that instead of one gap being north, and the one after it being east, making the direction north-east, the dirction given is really a combination of slants giving a single direction to go in.

To clarify, if say left side slanting in is north, and right side slanting in west, then if you have a block that has both sides slanting in it north-west.
That's what I've got so far...

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Originally Posted by Got2josh
To clarify, if say left side slanting in is north, and right side slanting in west, then if you have a block that has both sides slanting in it north-west.
The problem with this is that they are both a combination of East and West, so it doesn't seem that it is actually a combination of directions. I'm still trying to figure out if it is a blank or a space between words. I just cant figure out the pattern of the letters or where to start from.

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Didn't he say it's a code of numbers, five to a side? Why are we putting letters where numbers should be?

Know I'm just stating the obvious, but regardless...

4. Originally Posted by Jessnet3
Didn't he say it's a code of numbers, five to a side? Why are we putting letters where numbers should be?

Know I'm just stating the obvious, but regardless...
Maybe that's the *next* step, *after* Doc gets something out of these? The letters of the message(?) he gets *could* be changed to numbers, according to where they originally were in the letter matrix? Heck, if I know!

Keep going with it, Doc! I'm rooting for ya!

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## Question

Let's assume that the blanks in Docs theory seppartate words, the last letteris by itself, or the blanks could be appostrophies. Either way you have limited letters to be there. Also, is this only one line of a possible whole sentence.

6. Originally Posted by Doc
MYDUK, no. I don't have my cipher in front of me, but the starting letter is either the 'I' because it's shared on that acorn with the butterfly or 'O' from being in the scrollwork.

Lordofmorgul, you see the same problems I have as well. If this is a ciphertext, and I think it is, then we have no way of knowing if this is correct or not until we have the correct decoding method.

Doc

I wonder if the navigation of the grid tells you which letters to omit in the grid. Has anyone tried blacking the letters out and seeing what's left in the grid? Just curious.

Cisco_Kid

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## Maybe something new?

I just started doing this last night, and I thought I came up with SOMETHING that might be interesting about the butterfly, but when I went on here to check and see if this lined up with anyone else, I see that everyone, for some reason (Duh, I tried to solve this wrong) seeme to think the butterfly is in NC. Obviously I missed something, but by GOD, I got so excited when I found the one thing I found that I thought I would share it anyway. I don't know if this is correct or not, and I haven't even finished figuring it out and quite frankly I am stumped and was hoping for a little help. Oh, and I don't use much punctuation. Ok, so I noticed that on the butterfly page the acorns are all pointing in a pattern. Same number of acorns pointing down and to the left as there are pointing down and to the right or up-left, or down-right. I thought maybe this meant that the letters in the acorns might be grouped together that way. I tried grouping them together and seeing if they fit in a 5x5 but before I did I noticed that the letters in the down-and-to-the-right acorns could be anagrammed (and I have heard that the mere mention of one of those can cause derision here ) to spell out "East" with the letters "H-I-I" left over. Of course it was also odd that those acorns only had 7 letters while the others had either ten or eight. The word "east" obviously sounds helpful, but what is H-I-I? Just for fun I put "Hi I" in mapquest and was shocked when it came back with a town in Arizona! I clicked on the map it gave me, hoping to maybe find a park somewhere east, but I was even more shocked to find TWO large state parks on the banks of the Colorodo River! Of course they were west of Hi I, but then again that's a matter of perspective. Hi I could be EAST of these parks. Am I crazy? On a REALLY far-off track? Anything? Anyone? Ok, I'm gonna go to sleep now.

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The butterfly has been shown as missing on the ATT site for a while already. Sorry.

Sue

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Once there is a true solution, there will be no guess work in finding the token. They have, till now, been very specific..

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## ...

not really.. several of the ones that were found took several hours of searching, by several different people before they were found.