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    Default The Butterfly Puzzle

    The introduction for these ideas can be found here:
    http://www.tweleve.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113

    Both butterflies can be found on p. 52.

    1. The map fragment: Only one fairy here, but no obvious 'black line'. I suspect it's the large 'O' itself--a large oval drive or path in a park.

    2. The anchor letter: Two possibilities. The large 'O' itself would be the 'beginning' letter or the 'I' on the acorn with the butterfly shows up before the poem actually begins. For now, I'd vote with the 'O' simply because it's depicted as a true 'starting' letter.

    3. The directions. Around the outer square of the big 'O', you will notice four differently-shaped holes at north, south, east, and west. The shapes of these holes gives you the definitions for these four directions.

    Along the inside square, you will notice a series of holes that are similarly shaped. Using your definitions, you can now 'read' this series of directions. Note that one shape is not defined as any of our four directions--that shape is the 'blank' for this puzzle.

    Starting just above the 'O' along the left border:

    West, south, north, west, north, north, west, west, west, west, blank, south, west, south, south, west, --south---, west, blank, west.

    Please note that I'm not certain about the 'south' that's surrounded by dashes in the series of directions. It's either a 'south' or an 'east'.

    4. The grid clue: it's the lower case 'g' that appears along the bottom. From its location, I would place 'g' in the bottom row of the 5 x 5 grid in the middle box.

    J...K...L...M...N
    O..P...R...S...T
    U..V..W...X...Y
    Z..A...B...C...D
    E..F...G...H...I

    Keep on truckin',

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    Doc,

    I like where your logic is going. however, I have a question. You are proposing that we form a gird of letters and then move around the grid based on directions that are found in the pictures. If this is the case do you propose that if we hit an edge then we just wrap around to the other side of the grid ? I.e. in the above example you would move west 10 times without moving east, if you started on the far right side you would have to cross the edge twice. Would this be comon in this type of puzzle ?

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    What "g"? Sorry, I'm a little slow!

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    Dtnagle, yes. You would simply wrap around the grid.

    Dieseldog, there is a lower-case 'g' in an acorn along the lower border of that picture that is NOT a part of the poem.

    If you imagine the entire frame to be the outline of a 5 x 5 grid, that 'g' would be in the middle box along the bottom row.

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    DOC,

    Did you end up w/ the following possibilties:

    gfkfazdceintsxwv
    and
    gfkfazdceintstsr

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    I've tried doing this method and try and make sence of the letters I get, and I don't get much. I tried ROTing the solutions I got, but still nothing. Where do you suggest we start, g? I tried g and o, and neither of them worked at all. Any suggestions on which letter will begin it? I think this is a great idea, the only problems I see are knowing where to start and knowing that we have the right grid. I'm almost 100% possitive you have the directions right, that was pretty obvious if you know what you are looking for. It doesn't really matter what the last 3 letters are (because of the south in question), if the rest of the message makes no sense, the last 3 won't help much, and if we get it to make sense then we can checnge the last 3. I guess if we needed to we could check every possiblity for starting locations and grid, but that is like over 600 possibilities, then ROTing them, which the computer can do, makes over 15,000 different combinations of ROTed letters.

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    MYDUK, no. I don't have my cipher in front of me, but the starting letter is either the 'I' because it's shared on that acorn with the butterfly or 'O' from being in the scrollwork.

    Lordofmorgul, you see the same problems I have as well. If this is a ciphertext, and I think it is, then we have no way of knowing if this is correct or not until we have the correct decoding method.

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    The blanks could possibly be word seperators

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    thanks doc,

    I'll pursue deciphers from here

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    Good idea dtnagle, I was thinking since they look like a mix between two of the spaces, they could be directions like NW or SE, but that doesn't work because it is a mix between East and West. But having it be spaces between words would work. We need to look into that possiblity as well as repeating letters on those spots. Great, even more possible options.

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