Thread: The Clock Without a Face

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Oops. Might have made that more difficult than necessary. (WHAT a surprise! LOL)

PAISLEY = PA ISLE Y

Pennsylvania Isle Highway?

2. If the floor stolen from, say, reveals a state. Then the items current resting place (floor) may indeed mean any number or specific locators on that floor go back with the state (floor) from which the item is referenced.

There are the "light" rings on the 13th floor around each item, very interesting that they are there. What does this floor reveal? It must provide some kind of instructions for the rest of teh floors in some way.

Has anyone tried overlaying a sheet of paper, tracing the arrows on that room and then laying that sheet over other rooms to see where they point?

Spread thin, sorry I have not been more involved. As always, ideas are in good hands with Doc....but you all are having some wonderful and insightful ideas. Seems these are flowing very easily here with this hunt. Heading to Roanoke, VA tomorrow. If someone has a theory for around there you want me to look into, speak now otherwise, I'm cooking chili. (speaking of which, there is chili on one of the floors).

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Originally Posted by Doc
The solution involves word puzzles, and they're kinda neat once you start knowing what to do.

The three pictures on the wall depict a ROCK, HE (which leads us back to the periodic table after this), and SPACE.

1. Sound out the three words as a rebus: ROCK + HE + SPACE = ROCKY SPACE.

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Instead of ROCK + HE + SPACE, what if the solution to this puzzle were ORE + HE + SPACE?

I entered orehespace in an online anagram website. Variations on the theme:
A CHEESE PRO
ACE SPREE OH
PEACE SHORE
ESCAPE HERO
CAPE HEROES
E'ER PA CHOSE
etc.

On the other hand, the He might not be literally "HE" in the puzzle: If we use its value from the periodic table, it could be two, to, too or 2.

4. Seems someone has been on the hunt, and digging. See:
The Clock Without A Face - news - "AN EMERALD BEFORE DINNER"

Very interesting ideed.

5. A thought: On the website there is clearly "animation" for what they do show of the floors. We have some pretty solid theories on some state identifiers i.e. OHIO (with the pics), Connecticut (Connect four).

Notice that on each of these floors the animation is near the state locator? Same with It Is Forever. At least the 3 spots were orginally right there in front of us on the website, before any of us had to purchase the book. Maybe the rest of them are like this?

Also, regardless of how well you get a state, road, highway, city, sign or other clues, something on here has got to give a generalized method of knowing how to dig when you find the "where." I like the drawing with a TREE and arrow pointing to the ground. See the updated post on GUS' site on someone who had a solid location but not the specifics.

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Originally Posted by Domino
There are the "light" rings on the 13th floor around each item, very interesting that they are there. What does this floor reveal? It must provide some kind of instructions for the rest of the floors in some way.

Has anyone tried overlaying a sheet of paper, tracing the arrows on that room and then laying that sheet over other rooms to see where they point?

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I have put a little thought into the 13th floor collection. I believe the buff-colored gentleman with the long nose between the green figure and the blue mask might be Seth, and Ancient Egyptian god of evil, who had the head of a jackal. It could be Thoth, however, who is a good guy and the god of writing. Thoth has the head of an ibis.

I don't interpret the spotlights as directional indicators, although I assume the spotlighted items have more (or different) meaning than those that are not spotlighted. I like your suggestion of using tracing paper, though. Thx.

What I noticed is the differences in the pedestals. Some are on yellowish bases; others on whitish bases; others on classical columns. The obelisk is on a slate-colored base. Seth/Thoth seems to be on a sandstone-colored base. The Brillo box is on the floor. The urn near the dining room table is the only one on a red cloth. (Hmm. Bakula, on floor 9, however, admits to having found a red handkerchief from an unknown origin. Was another treasure on red cloth before the "robbery"?)

I have noticed some echoes of Ternky's collection on other floors. I have started putting notes about cleaning equipment (echoes of the Brillo and the shopvac/vacuum artwork?) on the wiki site. There is a small obelisk on a table and a pipe on the table near the fireplace on the first floor. Rosa Tse-Levy has made a sculpture of herself with the body of a dragon with angel wings - similar to the winged serpent on this floor. (Rosa's is "stolen," but found on the 9th floor).

The giant diamond (next to the faberge egg) may be pictured in the informal sketch pages from Gus' notebook shown on the first right hand page inside the front cover of the book. There is a cluster showing a squarish emerald, a round diamond and (apparently) an almond-shaped ruby. Anyone care to speculate on what role the ruby might play in this book?

On the HitContests.com site, people have done a good job of identifying hidden artwork allusions in this apartment that would have been lost on me - the urinal, the doggy vase, the bed, the "drawers" in the bedroom, etc.

I haven't seen an explanation yet for the pink blotchy painting. Don't know if it's based on a real work.

There's definitely a knife motif in the book, so there may be more to the story of the knife inside the glass case on the wall.

I haven't yet seen strong theories about the apparent painting missing from the spot near the elevator (my current theory is that it's the enlarged dollar bill artwork on the 11th floor), why there is a utility sink and towel behind the donut, or why the four-headed snake is an animated item among the snapshots on the Gus Twintig website. (My theory is that it represents the four directions. Hmm. Points to Egypt, the Holy Grail, a Faberge egg and an unknown cabinet of some kind - could this be the compass I've been seeking?)

And why are there four showerheads? And why are there three keys on the table by the dog vase? And why did Dodge say he saw the numbers to the safe's combination on Ternky's desk when they are actually on the diningroom table?

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States or rivers?

Originally Posted by Domino
A thought: We have some pretty solid theories on some state identifiers i.e. OHIO (with the pics), Connecticut (Connect four).
Besides being state names, Ohio and the Connecticut are also names of rivers that run through several states. So narrowing down the state names might not be as simple as it appears at first, even on these clues that are pretty straightforward.

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I'll be jiggered.

I've been pondering the concept of this 'vertical maze' off and on for most of the day.

You're right. It is.

The concept helps explain some of the clues and makes the overall puzzle more difficult.

Folks who are simply finding a state name, highway number, and mile marker and headed out to dig are gonna come back empty-handed.

It's been a very long time ago, but there was a puzzle book called 'Maze' that is extremely reminiscent of what I see happening here.

Let me demonstrate the concept of this 'vertical maze':

1. When you exit the bedroom on the 12th floor, where would you go?

HANGING CHAIR by the wall is a spoonerism: CHANGING HAIR.

You would go to the seventh floor dressing room.

2. When you exit the entry room via the 'It is Forever' door, where would you go?

You would travel to the Mobius Loop on the blackboard on the 12th floor.

See how this works?

If this is the case, then where does one begin and how do we know the end of a particular maze path?

That's not a trivial question.

Doc

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Look for motifs to solve vertical maze?

Originally Posted by Doc
I'll be jiggered.

I've been pondering the concept of this 'vertical maze' off and on for most of the day.

You're right. It is.

If this is the case, then where does one begin and how do we know the end of a particular maze path?

Doc
Some of my theories:

Water flows downward. Clues to one "path" in the maze might be the many leaks and plumbing fixtures. Which way does the showerhead point? Where would the leaking water go if it is dripping into the next apartment? Early on, someone pointed out that "Mazel", part of the name of a 5th Floor resident, means "drip from above" in Hebrew. So this dripping motif could be very tricky.

Smoke and steam (and buzzing flies on the 8th floor?) travel upward. (And if Quello can turn tears into clouds, there may be a continuous loop with the water flows downhill/steam rises pathway.)

Look at "eyes": Lenses on cameras, telescopes, eyeglasses; artwork with a face; maybe even windows, keyholes, mirrors. The eyes may be looking in a certain direction that reveals a portal of some kind.

Secret doors? The Bakula remarks about shrinking and about going through walls lead me to think that people or things can go through walls in this building. The swinging bookcase as a door to Pupkin/Dodge's bedroom may also reinforce this idea. Maybe each bookcase is a magic doorway?

The end of a Mobius: You're right about the difficulty of finding the "spot" - or the beggining or end - if each path is continuous. The donut has no beginning or end. The snake biting its tail is an ancient symbol of eternity in many mythologies. Balls, tires, globes, etc. So we may need to find things that would cut or cause an end: knives, scissors, the switchboard on floor 9 that could "cut off" a phone call, a broken light bulb, open doors vs. closed. I notice that a number of residents have built-in cabinets that block a window.

Your good continuing work on solving word puzzles is also critical. There may be some paths that do not depend on this internal logic I am trying to construct - leaps from one floor to another could be unique, one-of-a-kind moves dependent on a single obscure spoonerism.

Speaking of which, I noticed that an anagram of "cereal boxes" is "see clear box". Could that mean a display box for the art on the 13th floor, or the glass box of vipers on floor 2, or...?

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If this is the case, then where does one begin and how do we know the end of a particular maze path?

That's not a trivial question.

Doc
Maybe we should start on the 5th floor with the "puzzle people" as this is where Vera "Mazel" (Maze ?) and Josie Grey are trying to fathom out this puzzle and give the "State, Mile and Highway" clue.

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