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    Quote Originally Posted by wallyworld View Post
    Its All
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    Somebody Pass The

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    Our cousin's got it.
    Free is the best deal!

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    Its All
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    Catsup
    Our cousin's got it.
    LAUGHING HERE!!!!

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    Lightbulb final move

    This puzzle, which is named after it's first 2 words "Sot Pecheur", is in one sense the polar opposite of Maranatha. Both puzzles have an enormous level of difficulty associated with them, with SP accomplishing this in a paragraph while Maranatha accomplishes this with 80 pages.

    Both methods have their disadvantages. The disadvantage of Maranatha is that you can drown in it's volume, while the disadvantage of SP is that it is a necessity that at some point the puzzle must become a nightmare of technical cryptology.

    There is only one more major move left in SP before it reaches this point, but while being very far from the most difficult move, it is perhaps the most important and gratifying move. The core "trick" behind this solution is the same core trick that was behind the most important move in the secret puzzle in the original Rennes parchments.

    If what I am saying is true (and it is), only a complete idiot would assume that this "trick" would not constitute a critical move in the Maranatha puzzle at some point, and no true Rennes genre puzzle is anything to laugh at.

    I have given a massive clue to this final "simple" solution by blacking out the 32 crosses and dividing the grid into 4 quadrants, as shown below. In a few days I will post the full details of the move, but in the meantime anyone interested in this should give it a try. It is both highly rewarding when personally accomplished and it teaches what I obviously consider to be a vital skill in these puzzles.

    In the meantime here are a few more helpful tidbits:

    The French word "retourna" was translated correctly as "turned" given the context of the plain-text, but the word itself had countless interpretations including "returned" and "turned back".

    "The mouth of the Rhone" is an excellent example of what is known as a fractal formation.

    And from the latest online clue which has already displayed a remarkable affinity to Sot Pecheur ( and after the puzzle goes into it's technical phase, reversals involving PS and SP also form a integral part):

    "Like the SP lit elm"
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    Default Final move(s): part 1

    OK, I will give the solution(s) now to the next move(s).

    According to the riddle, the "fisherman" is at the "mouth of the Rhone". He is the one causing the action, turning back his fish(characters) on the grill (grid), and thus we need to know his location on the grid which corresponds to the mouth of the Rhone.

    As mentioned previously, this very large area is a good example of a fractal formation. In an idealized example any random point to an observer on a fractal formation would appear as the center point of the formation. This is a static analogy to any random point in space appearing to be the center of the universe because space is expanding. In both cases there are local variations caused by terrain fluctuations and gravity respectively, but the core principle holds true. This information implies that the fisherman's location may be the center point of the grid.

    The mouth of the Rhone is also of interest to this genre historically. According to legend it was the location where Mary Magdalene landed in France and also the area in which she lived in Southern France. According to this angle the Rhone's mouth would therefore be the origin of this whole affair with southern France. Origin can in turn be equated with the origin point of a grid, which when divided into 4 quadrants is also the center point.*(more info. about the Rhone's mouth will be added later).

    The fisherman's location is therefore the center point of the grid.

    One of the primary definitions of "retourna" is returned and to turn back. Relative to the center point of a grid, the only way to turn back it's characters twice is to fold the grid along it's vertical and horizontal axes, so that only one quadrant is showing at a time. Because all of the crosses have been blacked out, light is only permitted to pass through the paper when all 4 layers of a cell are free of a cross. To duplicate the following result just print out the image from my last post in "landscape" mode, cut out the grid, and fold along the red axes.

    By pressing the folded paper against a light bulb or bright window it is possible to count how many cells have been blacked out of each 50 cell quadrant. Regardless of which of the 4 quadrants is at the top and regardless of which way you fold the paper, EACH OF THE 4 QUADRANTS WILL HAVE EXACTLY 25 CELLS BLACKED OUT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT MANY CROSSES OVERLAP AND THE PATTERN FORMED IS DIFFERENT FOR EACH QUADRANT. This is obviously "the devil that popped up and tasted it 25 times", which will be elaborated on later. Each quadrant is shown this way separately in the first image below (quadrants shown in clockwise order). The black squares are crosses on the surface while the gray squares are crosses which are directly beneath that cell.

    As can be seen, 100 of the 200 cells have been selected by not allowing light to pass, 64 letters, 32 crosses and 4 periods. Remarkably, none of the 7 characters which are not letters, crosses or periods (points) have been selected despite an otherwise expected 50/50 chance for each.

    Because the final sentence says "Cooked, all that remained was the bone.", we now discard the 100 cells which were not chosen. This is shown in the second image below.

    I will continue this later. There is a great deal more to explain, especially the role that a gnostic type of duality plays, and a stunning trick secondary solution that is built off the first one. I will end by summarizing what is the most important realization to be taken from this move, whose core aspect played such an important role to the solution of both Rennes genre puzzles.

    WHAT WAS SCATTERED AND USELESS BECAME UNIFIED AND PURPOSEFUL THROUGH THE COMBINED USAGE OF LIGHT, DUALITY, AND AN ADDITIONAL DIMENSION (3 instead of 2).
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    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
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    I am not in the mood right now to write out the remainder of the details, but instead will just show the final part of this double move and save the corresponding details for later.

    As shown again in the first image below, once the 100 non-selected cells are removed, the resulting pattern has 2 equally spaced empty columns which divide the grid into 3 equal parts of 60 cells. Lines are then drawn down the center of these 2 columns.

    Folding the grid on these lines allows each of the 3 planes to have the other 2 folded twice underneath it. Doing this and holding it up to the light causes exactly 25 cells to be blacked out in each of the three planes, exactly as before but with completely new patterns. This is shown in the second image below.

    This time 16 (64/4) letters have been selected. This is a classic Rennes move. The first 64 letter solution is completely valid and after going through an incredibly complex transposition will eventually be used. But it doubles as a false solution due to the fact that it is intended to make one feel as though they are "finished".

    Turning the fish on the grill twice therefore has a double double solution, meaning that the grid is folded twice for each solution, and also that the trick is performed twice to yield 2 completely separate and valid solutions.
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    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
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    Apprentice...
    did you really find this...? (your quote below)..because It wasn't too long ago that I was telling Astreeturover that I thought that this puzzle contained many references to food and "cooking"..maybe I wasn't too far off the track after all..I thought I was maybe just seeing things or making it up as I went along..now I see that you've found some cooking references also..?? and you sem pretty sure
    that's pretty amazing if you ask me !!!!


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    "Cooked, all that remained was the bone.",

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    Quote Originally Posted by synchronicity View Post
    Apprentice...
    did you really find this...? (your quote below)..because It wasn't too long ago that I was telling Astreeturover that I thought that this puzzle contained many references to food and "cooking"..maybe I wasn't too far off the track after all..I thought I was maybe just seeing things or making it up as I went along..now I see that you've found some cooking references also..?? and you sem pretty sure
    that's pretty amazing if you ask me !!!!


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    "Cooked, all that remained was the bone.",
    Hi Cathy,

    I'm not sure what you are referring to. The line that you quoted at the end is part of the plain text that anyone can read (in French).

    As far as the puzzle itself goes, the only valid discovery that has been publicly made by anyone else that I am aware of is the first move of putting the messy characters on a grid. Everything else I did on SP I did on my own, with the exception of help from a French translator.
    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
    When you reach the end of the tail lookout for the teeth of the biting head.

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    Apprentice..I never saw that ..and never knew about that cooking sentence till I read your post ..Now that's amazing !!
    (((((astreet))))))..if you're reading this..isn't that trippy..???
    all those cooking terms and ingredients that I found in the LRB..maybe they were there and maybe they do mean something..??
    I wonder if I should pursue along those lines..
    ..this is getting really strange now.

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    Hi Cathy,

    I'm not sure what you are referring to. The line
    quoted at the end is part of the plain text that anyone can read (in French).

    "cooked..all that remained was the bone"

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    I still intend to finish this with a 3rd. part explaining the details of the above, but have been busy.

    For now I will finish explaining about the "mouth of the Rhone".

    In addition to what I wrote above, it is noteworthy that the Rhone splits into 2 rivers at the start of it's mouth. Again, this can be equated with the center point of a grid as it is here that the grid splits into 2 axes.

    In between the 2 forks is a large delta called the Camargue, which is technically an island. As explained before, this is the location where legend says MM both landed and lived. By extension it is also the location of where Christianity ORIGINated in Europe.

    At the location where the Rhone forks is a town called Arles, which has a very enigmatic history to this genre.

    Below is a link where some of this info. can be read.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=mRV...l=en#PPA154,M1
    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
    When you reach the end of the tail lookout for the teeth of the biting head.

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    Default The Foolish Fisherman Strikes Back!

    I had previously decided to stop this thread at the point where it was above, because it was under the level dividing the simple from the complex. I have changed my mind however, as the next move in the puzzle (the simplest one of the next level) has incredible congruence to a key part of Maranatha.

    Indeed, for anyone who has understood this thread and understands the "copycat" archetype of this genre, what I will demonstrate may very well be the biggest spoiler yet given. So the usual warning for those who don't like spoilers.

    I will demonstrate the information over the next few days, and for now will just post a couple of images below. It may very well be possible for a person to conjecture where the heart of this solution is leading up to by simply looking at the images.
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    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
    When you reach the end of the tail lookout for the teeth of the biting head.

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