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    Default Last known "Rennes genre" puzzle masterpiece

    I mentioned in the thread under the latest clue that I might demonstrate a similar trick to the knight's move/anagram solution that produced "ONE KEY ELL" that was in the second Rennes puzzle I worked on before Maranatha.

    This puzzle has never received very much attention as superficially it appears to be nothing more than a scribbled paragraph found amongst Beringer Sauniers belongings after his death. In actuality it is a endless masterpiece of analytical geometry/cryptology that IMO is superior to Maranatha. Try to imagine the best 1/4th. of Maranatha condensed into a scribbled paragraph to get my drift.

    The cryptogram was first published almost as an afterthought in "The Accursed Treasure" by Gerard de Sede. This was the book that started it all and in that respect was essentially the French equivalent of Holy Blood Holy Grail. The image from that book is the first image below. There have been a few hand written versions that have surfaced claiming to be the original, and one of these is shown in the second image.

    The French text reads as follows:
    Sot pecheur a l'embouchure du Rhone, son poisson sur le grill deux fois retourna. Un malin survint et XXV fois le gouta. Cuit, il ne lui resta que l'arete. Un ange veillait et en fit un peigne d'or.
    B.S. cure

    The most basic translation into English reads:
    Stupid fisherman at the mouth of the Rhone, he turned his fish on the grill twice. A devil popped up and tasted it 25 times. Cooked, all that remained was the bone. An angel watched and made a golden comb out of it.
    Berenger Sauniere, priest

    An examination of the text reveals a number of anomalies. There should be a cross separating every word which is not already separated by a punctuation mark, but instead 2 sets of words are missing the cross, while there is an extra cross before one sentence and after another. There is a very large dot at the start of the cipher. The readable text is surrounded by a string of 64 seemingly random letters. The end of his signature, which should have been the French CURE, was cut short by one letter like the author ran out of room.

    The first baby step into the labyrinth is to realize that each of the 12 lines of the seemingly messy text has exactly 22 characters on it. This in turn means that the text is meant to be put onto a 12 x 22 grid. This step is shown in the third image below.

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    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
    When you reach the end of the tail lookout for the teeth of the biting head.

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    The next move in this puzzle involves rotating the outer layer of the 64 letter string around the inner 200 cells, so that one of it's two E's finishes the ending signature correctly as CURE.

    Because of "deux fois retourna" one might assume that the outer layer is meant to be rotated twice, to the second E. But which way, clockwise or counterclockwise? This becomes irrelevant when one realizes that each E is followed by a N, which of course is no coincidence.

    Starting at the large dot at the beginning of the cipher, and making knight moves down to the previously mentioned N, which is now the lower right corner of the puzzle, produces the 7 letter sequence CSOSIUN. These letters anagram to a single and common French word, CUISSON. In French this word means "cooking", which is a very obvious tie in to the words of the puzzle shown above. Normally anagrams produce small and rare type of words, so the production of a single common and above average length word is unique.

    This key word doubles as a clue. The line that is produced by connecting the center points of each cell that the knight lands on becomes the primary line of what is truly a masterpiece of analytical geometry. Unfortunately that marks the departure from the simple to the incredibly complex. The best way to work on the puzzle from that point forward is to put it on grid paper where each cell occupies 4 of the small squares, which gives exact center points and allows for sub-grids and sub-lines to be developed.

    There is one more major move to make while the puzzle is still in it's simple grid format, and I left a little clue to that in the image below. The text of the puzzle itself obviously gives clues, especially the first 2 sentences in this case. This move is more difficult than the first two, but it is very rewarding and I dare say very relevant to the Maranatha puzzle. With the translated sentences in hand it requires no knowledge of French.
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    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
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    Here is another example of the knights move on the grid that I had forgotten about. It spells SION twice. "deux fois" means 2 times.

    The same game of SION being reversed as NOIS is played more clearly on one of the original Rennes parchments.
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    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
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    on page 2 of the puzzle at hand you can make 4 knight moves covering POOR RICH THE/ARE.

    yea.

    if you want to get nuts, you can also find contiguous WITHOUT and ME, but not just knight moves.

    yea.

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    Hi APPRENTICE

    I have not yet look at the diagrams but when I saw your post stating:-

    produces the 7 letter sequence CSOSIUN. These letters anagram to a single and common French word, CUISSON. thought that was interesting as the letters if you change the C for a P make the name Poussin.

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    That's a very nice observation Christine.

    Before you rotate the outer 64 letters there is a P on the left side of the large beginning dot and a S on the right side. After the text is rotated there is a P above the same S. In both cases the P is one space removed from the dot that begins the sequence, and the first letter of that sequence is the C.

    My guess is that the Poussin element is a coincidence, but I could be wrong about that.

    Thanks,

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    so you're saying it's a substitution cypher..
    we've talked about this before well touched on it....but nothing concrete emerged..
    a substitution cypher is a good bet though ..from what I've seen in the book..
    a few spots where you could just change a letter..
    someone would have to work out the correct code..how long would that take...

    then again ..there's many other cyphers that it could be.

    cathyxxxooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by messenger View Post
    Hi APPRENTICE

    I have not yet look at the diagrams but when I saw your post stating:-

    produces the 7 letter sequence CSOSIUN. These letters anagram to a single and common French word, CUISSON. thought that was interesting as the letters if you change the C for a P make the name Poussin.

    Christine
    Another interesting thing about the letters that spell COUSSIN, that I feel may have been intended, is that both SION and SIS can be extracted.
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    GeneSIS -- ISaIah -- Revelations +++++++++ GOD IS!
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    Default Extractions

    You Can Extract Sis
    Sin
    Sion
    Which Leaves?

    Cu

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