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    Default The Submission Method

    The submission method is concealed in the seven magic sentences.

    The key, as was the case in uncovering the signature of the artist(s), is to correctly arrange them.

    I DARE THIS NATION

    LOOK AT THE LOST WISDOM OF THE TRUE CREATOR

    LEARN ALL OF THESE IDEAS

    ERASE PART OF HELLS EVIL

    AND LET IT SEEP INTO ITS TOMB

    FACE THIS TEST

    TO LEARN OF A SURE HEART

    ON A TRUE ROAD

    TO HEAVEN AND TO START ON THE PATH OF LIFE

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    CADUCEUS, A KEY

    THERE YOU CAN FOREVER SEE INTO THE FIRE

    We wind up with: N R S L B T T D E E Y E

    This anagrams to SEND BY LETTER.

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    Incredible to have gone through such a complex path, and end up with that. It would be quite unlikely that you planned it from the start. I find this quite interesting.

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    What's it say?
    Kill Phi Lets Meet?


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    Default Blast from the Past

    I was looking over the old monthly clues this morning.

    The December 2006 clue was:


    ‘It is not always what, where or when, but simply how!
    The last is as important as the first!’


    In retrospect this was probably the principal hint regarding where to look for the submission method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post

    This anagrams to SEND BY LETTER.

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    So what happened to the seven magic sentences - they appear to have magically morphed into 12 (are they still magic?) sentences.

    So by what rule did you divide the magic seven - presumably you decoded that somewhere.

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    Default Fair question

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post

    This anagrams to SEND BY LETTER.

    Spock

    So what happened to the seven magic sentences - they appear to have magically morphed into 12 (are they still magic?) sentences.

    So by what rule did you divide the magic seven - presumably you decoded that somewhere.
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    The answer to your question comes in three parts, and you probably won't like any of them.

    In the first place, if you go through my older posts, you will see that I started by adhering rigidly to the seven original sentences, and wound up with LIFT ELF. I subsequently discovered that by being a little less rigid, say by capitalizing Caduceus and thus justifying moving it to its own line, I could get to LIFT CLEF. One more such relaxation got me to CLIFF ET AL and/or LIFT A CLEF.

    Once the precedent was set that one was allowed to further subdivide the phrases, at least into ones that were grammatically reasonable, it wasn't hard to get to SEND BY LETTER.

    So, to make a long story short, I wasn't guided by any rule, I just followed the clues where they led me.

    Secondly, I am very familiar with the clue style of the author of the puzzle and this is just how his mind works. He uses classic British-style cryptic clues as a model, but has always been more flexible, and well, free-form. Several years ago he called his word puzzles utilizing this modified approach "Jumble Jitters." Old fans of his will know what I mean.

    Thirdly, as I've posted earlier, the author of the puzzle personally e-mailed me a silly little puzzle for no obvious reason, the solution to which entailed the anagramming of the final letters of a series of sentences. It did not have any bearing on the solution to the puzzle, but did lead to the discovery of the submission method, and this required the extra fragmentation of the sentences.

    It is not easy to break up a given set of seven sentences and wind up with letters that anagram to SEND BY LETTER or anything similar that concisely describes a submission method. I think that it is correct.

    We'll all find out when the Truth Comes.

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    So Spock do you think we are to look for a solution in a similar way. Being that the solution and key are found along side each other?
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    In other words Spock, you make it up as you go along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linz View Post
    So Spock do you think we are to look for a solution in a similar way. Being that the solution and key are found along side each other?
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    Remember this?

    10:23] <linz> If you find the Key do you find the Method of submitting your answer in conjunction with it?
    [10:24] <Sacred_Prize> Linz - they actually are almost side by side, so you should


    When you properly array the sentences and run down the FIRST letters (one side) you generate the KEY (LA CLEF) as well as a clever self reference by the authors (CLIFF ET AL).

    When you run down the LAST letters (the other side) you get the submission method.

    You do have to modify the way you arrange the phrases to do the latter. I knew that Horace wouldn't like it, but that's the way I see it.

    We'll all find out someday.

    I just hope it's before my next aortic valve replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    I was looking over the old monthly clues this morning.

    The December 2006 clue was:


    ‘It is not always what, where or when, but simply how!
    The last is as important as the first!’


    In retrospect this was probably the principal hint regarding where to look for the submission method.

    Spock
    This clue is far more literal than you think....but a good one to raise.

    I must have missed how you came up with the 7 magic sentences. If u could PM the post you first presented this on and save me some time I would be very grateful.

    Cheers

    Tracy

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