# Thread: Reverse Engineering the Solution

1. Lobster,
I commend you on your notes. They will be helpful for the golden eagle hunt.
My worry is that Ron will not be able to sell the golden eagle and the hunt will end early. The reality is that the price of gold is at a five year low and pretty much at the prices that Ron bought it. He will be very lucky to get \$2 mllion for it. Far from the current asking price.

2. Today's imponderable:

"Charlie’s face burned. He had seen enough of women with
plung- ing bodices, heard enough of the coarse laughter, and
seen enough whis- key poured into jelly jars to know what his
mother meant. "

Is whis-key trustable or non-trustable? Normally I'd say no (C5 defines it as "dat poison", which certainly doesn't sound optimistic). However, in this case it is hyphenated with a -key, making it sound like a key hint.

So what's the tie-breaker? Is something that is by default untrustable made trustable by a hyphen? Or is a hyphen overridden by the fact that in the end, it's just a load of poison?

Haven't been able to find those instructions in the manual.

3. I'm visiting the forum again after working on a dozen or so paths for solving Chapter 5; obviously, none successful at this time. My approach varies significantly from this thread's discussion about riddles, word play and clues pointing to other clues across chapters. I realize the four chapter solutions published to date were entirely dependent on Facebook clues. But, I'm curious if anyone is pursuing cipher-based methods, like those published in the companion book or used to solve end-of-chapter questions, to solve a chapter.

Regards,

California Red

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This message is only about an observation I noticed, that shouldn't go ignored. Here is the exact quote from Ron:

May 30, 2014 ·
Please note that there is at least one person with at least the first 5 numbers correct. The solution may be close at hand!
Ron
For the participants in C4, you may remember this now. I ask the obvious questions now...how do you get only 5 numbers in C4 and not ten?

I think the answer was in the chapter, and we settled for the second solution with the questions. It explains the frustration, and also the repeated clues in C5. We have not got the message yet on how to do this without added clues.

Does anyone have a solution with CHATB+ outside the official solution?

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Originally Posted by gizmo2337
This message is only about an observation I noticed, that shouldn't go ignored. Here is the exact quote from Ron:

For the participants in C4, you may remember this now. I ask the obvious questions now...how do you get only 5 numbers in C4 and not ten?

I think the answer was in the chapter, and we settled for the second solution with the questions. It explains the frustration, and also the repeated clues in C5. We have not got the message yet on how to do this without added clues.

Does anyone have a solution with CHATB+ outside the official solution?
I wonder if someone made a small error(in the 5-10 key range) when extracting the solution from the chapter question, it seems so easy to do. Ron's comment might get one person back on track and throw others off.

My question is when Ron says " the answer they seek is partially spelled" does that mean a word is formed at the beginning of the solution?

6. When I saw this clue in May, I didn't pay attention to the 'close at hand' part. I posted earlier about how if you overlay the chapter picture on to the questions page the shadow of the man connects Q14 to Q8 and I believe the kryptos clue was to point us to the shadow ( between subtle shading and the absence of light). Now notice if you overlay the word 'hand' (the battered one) on page 1 on to the questions page, it overlays the sixth letter in the solution Q14... Hindsight is great eh?

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For C4, it sure looks like there was another solution, and Ron reluctantly settled on plan B. I don't think you get past the first letter without getting all ten correct. It would be tough to do I'd think?

In any event, my own take on the "part" or "partially" clue. For C4Q3, the answer to the question is "COLORado". This matches up with C4Q14, where the answer is "Turquoise". The question 3(C) just happens to be the first key, and the matching questions has the rest. C4Q8 and C4Q15 also match this way. "Ditat Deus" means God Enriches, which is related to Q15, the 5x5 book that is the lord's prayer. Note that 5x5=25 is a clue for C5. C4Q16 is your USS Minnesota BB22, because not only do the questions add up to 22, B=2 is also part of the cipher. Bottom line: The non-facebook clue(s) was in the question answers.

8. Dawnplayer,
That is an excellent question. Chapter 4 had a solution starting with the word "chat." Are we possibly going to find this in chapter 5? The W in the word "what" was changed to C, but not by a cipher and this chapter is pointing at a definite cipher of some kind. Easy enough to snare is now ever so easy to snare. To snare is to trap. I have been going back to chapter 4 to see a similiarity with this clue.

9. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
For the participants in C4, you may remember this now. I ask the obvious questions now...how do you get only 5 numbers in C4 and not ten?
Yet another herring. I had the first 10 keys before this clue came out and all this clue did was set me back. Made it sound like alpha is of size 5 when it wasn't.

10. Originally Posted by kazoo
When I saw this clue in May, I didn't pay attention to the 'close at hand' part. I posted earlier about how if you overlay the chapter picture on to the questions page the shadow of the man connects Q14 to Q8 and I believe the kryptos clue was to point us to the shadow ( between subtle shading and the absence of light). Now notice if you overlay the word 'hand' (the battered one) on page 1 on to the questions page, it overlays the sixth letter in the solution Q14... Hindsight is great eh?
Really... Nobody wants to add to this?