# Thread: Chapter 6 - Clues and Discussion

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Originally Posted by kazoo
... seriously... look in the next chapter's questions for a number that ties the solution together? If the number 15 appeared in a Ch 9 question would you still say that was a clue for chapter 5?
Why are you so angry?
Chapter 5 used tap code and two questions 3 and 12 surrounded the chapter in chapters 4 and 6 using tap code.

2. Originally Posted by dawnplayer8
Why are you so angry?
... if I was angry, I'd be using CAPITAL LETTERS...

my point was about inferring that the number 15 found in Ch 6 Q3 was a clue to chapter 5 solution... not the tap code association.

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OK, I understand that people are very frustrated with this quest.
I think that the clues in the book are different for each chapter. These are the embedded clues that I think are for chapter 6. The first word of chapter 6 is "Sometimes" and the last word of the chapter questions is "riches?". It begins with a "S" and ends with a "s". This is the same as chapter 6 q.16. Chapter 6 q.9 also has a SS in it. 16+9=25 As in chapter 5 one of the next chapters Sudoku has a clue. Chapter 7 q.20 "follow the compass clockwise".
So, no I have not been able to get this to work. Please kindly point out any flaws in my logic.

4. Originally Posted by dawnplayer8
OK, I understand that people are very frustrated with this quest.
I think that the clues in the book are different for each chapter. These are the embedded clues that I think are for chapter 6. The first word of chapter 6 is "Sometimes" and the last word of the chapter questions is "riches?". It begins with a "S" and ends with a "s". This is the same as chapter 6 q.16. Chapter 6 q.9 also has a SS in it. 16+9=25 As in chapter 5 one of the next chapters Sudoku has a clue. Chapter 7 q.20 "follow the compass clockwise".
So, no I have not been able to get this to work. Please kindly point out any flaws in my logic.
I would start by asking how one would ever guess that the first and last letters of this chapter are useful without facebook clue #97. Where in the chapter does it suggest we look at the first and last letters of the text?

Assuming there is no such instruction and the only way is through the facebook clues, I would then point out that the letter S is not a clue, it is a letter.

Throughout the first 6 chapters we have constantly been told that 4 is important, or 5 is important, or S is important, or T is important, or Q is important. These aren't clues, they are numbers and letters, nearly only usable (many only after the fact) at all in the context of a staggering number of facebook clues.

Let's just assume that what you point out "S" is supposed to be meaningful. Well, what logic is one supposed to use to determine how that information is usable? Nothing tells us what to do with "S", assuming that "S" is important.

Maybe it means the first key 19? The last key 19? Does the solution read in an "S like" fashion around / across a page? Does a playfair password start with S? Is the password "Sometimes"? Are we supposed to use question 19? Answer 19? Page 19? And if so, how? Do keys follow the letter S throughout the chapter? etc etc etc... all of these are possibilities.

See what I mean? The majority of Facebook clues are of little help because they do not reference each other or allow you to group them or validate their meanings with one another. 5 is important we are told twenty times. But, so what? 5 is just a number, it's not a clue. You can repeat it 20 times more and get increasingly frustrated and angry at us for not guessing why it's important, but at the end of the day "5 is important" is a clue so unusable as to probably be better off not being released in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Lobster
I would start by asking how one would ever guess that the first and last letters of this chapter are useful without facebook clue #97. Where in the chapter does it suggest we look at the first and last letters of the text?

Assuming there is no such instruction and the only way is through the facebook clues, I would then point out that the letter S is not a clue, it is a letter.

Throughout the first 6 chapters we have constantly been told that 4 is important, or 5 is important, or S is important, or T is important, or Q is important. These aren't clues, they are numbers and letters, nearly only usable (many only after the fact) at all in the context of a staggering number of facebook clues.

Let's just assume that what you point out "S" is supposed to be meaningful. Well, what logic is one supposed to use to determine how that information is usable? Nothing tells us what to do with "S", assuming that "S" is important.

Maybe it means the first key 19? The last key 19? Does the solution read in an "S like" fashion around / across a page? Does a playfair password start with S? Is the password "Sometimes"? Are we supposed to use question 19? Answer 19? Page 19? And if so, how? Do keys follow the letter S throughout the chapter? etc etc etc... all of these are possibilities.

See what I mean? The majority of Facebook clues are of little help because they do not reference each other or allow you to group them or validate their meanings with one another. 5 is important we are told twenty times. But, so what? 5 is just a number, it's not a clue. You can repeat it 20 times more and get increasingly frustrated and angry at us for not guessing why it's important, but at the end of the day "5 is important" is a clue so unusable as to probably be better off not being released in the first place.
Something else that is interesting is that a 5 looks so much like a S. Does 55=SS?

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As for the number 21, I've only come up with two explanations. (I don't think the math is for the sequence at all anymore) Either, it's hinting at page 115 where we have 21 pairs in the poem, or the chapter questions, of which there is actually 21. Remember, Question 8 (cryptex) actually takes 2 questions to solve. That kind of thinking sort of changes how you count, doesn't it?

I'll place my bets on using 2 of the 5 encrypted questions again. Five to the power of two. And if the trend continues in sets of three chapters, I would expect the first two keys to be two of the five encrypted question number 4,5,12,14,18. Assuming this was true, you'd think you could figure it out? There's way too many options for cipher though. Todays the day Q into I? empty grid, z into i? And a decrypt or encrypt? Additionally, what about the boiling it down and adding one? There's really no clear cut answer on what cipher to use. As he went along, Ron added more and more options in the clues. None of the cipher clues converge! I'd like someone to explain how those cipher clues converge in a simple concise method.... Surely it's probably much easier...that much we have learned.

7. What sealed the deal for me was chapter 3. Ron wanted to do the winners of chapters 2 and chspter 3 together since one was in LA and the other San Fran. He released very good clues and chapter 3 was won quickly. Only about 9 clues to solve it.
He could do the same for chapter 6 if he wanted it solved quickly.
I have moved on. But I do want to see chapter 6 solve if he chooses to continue this mess.
How can you keep selling books based on the current prize structure if you know you are going to change it?

8. Is there even a prize left for C6?

9. Ron is playing mexican stand-off. I doubt he is getting any submissions, but I am sure he is still peddling his book. Amazon should pull it until he decides how commited he really is to his cause.