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    Forget it. I am not going to make this into an argument. It's not worth it. You have your opinion, you feel "snubbed" when you aren't, and I'm tired of hearing about it. That's it for me--I'll leave it at that. Time to move on.
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    Good whatever-part-of-day-it-is. As I continue the ritual of hopeful progress, I look at the first and second casque discoveries as I would examine a strange object at my front porch and try to figure out who left it...and why. The 50 loaves of bread was a special little mystery...

    Chicago, look at the fantastic water tower hat, lots of distinct objects in the area of interest, and a littl tricky at the end, but sensible in retrospect. Kind of a roaming meandering solution. Glad to see it solved.

    Cleveland, look at the Greek mythological creature and the big wall with columns. Verse reads like a table of contents.

    Seems that there are more opportunities for honing our recognition of statues and architecture in the other images. If simplicity is the key, and if the tricks are minimal, then we should hope to be close to solving several others. It seems practically a given that Houston and Milwaukee are done, and recovery chances are now nil from nature and construction factors. The flow, rhythm, word choice and occasional qlrecognizable literary or iconic reference allows for much unpredictability with the verse. Much subtlety and careful construction allows the true paths to hide in the plain and ordinary way the brain tends to assume or shape meaning. "Man of OZ," works in many ways, but quickly fits as a Baum reference. "Lane," lends to lots of ideas, a road, a shipping lane, "lain", or a proper name, first, middle, or last. The Lost Colony has references to a man named Lane. Oregon has a county named Lane. Its all good until something is ruled out with certainty.

    Folks have come up with lots of great ideas and verified false leads. Lots of ground still left to cover. I'm currently playing with as many perinent factors as possible and I have confidence something will be found some day by one of us.
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    I'm feeling particularly proud of this one today:



    Green Line: beneath overpass = feel at home (roof overhead)
    Dark Blue Box (rounded): water, face it go towards it by stepping over rail and past box, turn to face globes and stairs are behind you
    Lavender Oval: bird stump is the same relative height to this railing if standing next to it
    Light Blue Box: it's a marker for where to stand, centered as if you would open it
    White Triangle/Line: specific alignment on three lamp globes in park when standing on Red X
    Orange Line: top of head and hair pair well to the green tower facade seen in line's direction above the lamp globes

    There is also a stair behind you (facing globes and tower) as you face the water.

    Is there anyone planning on a Boston dig?
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    Image 3 Verse 11

    I wanted to avoid this verse and image 3. Now it's nabbed up what's left of my brain.

    I'm finding some ridiculous chess references.  The T-shaped knight looks chess piece like on that pedestal.  

    I decided the line "to mica and driftwood" was too innocent.  Mica is a common component of plaster.  Looking at spots around the Roanoke area I had to wonder if Rodanthe (flower petals) could be alluded to as "the Rodin" (pronounced like Rodan).  Auguste Rodin would use plasters in his sculptural career.  I viewed his work often at the Jordan Schnitzer museum on the Oregon campus.  It's probably too elaborate to consider Rodanthe = "Rodin, the".  The next couple named areas along the road are Waves (driftwood?) and Salvo (meaning simultaneous cannon fire).  On the west shore is a T-shaped harbor called Blackmar Gut.  This reminded me of the brave and aggressive chess gambit opening (1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3...) the Blackmar-Diemer.  Is that ridiculous, plausible?

    Then I start to see things.  A feature north of this harbor looks like the belly (gut) and legs portion of the fairy turned 90 degrees counterclockwise.





    I might venture a guess about where to dig:  "Look North at the wing and dig", perhaps you must stand at the south side of the telephone pole, looking north and dig on that south side.  See this streetview image of the Blackmar Gut harbor looking westward.



    Notice now the similarity of the knights propped arms to this particular Telephone pole. Also, below the arm with the mace is a scythe blade hooking on to the key ring. That scythe shape is also in then land feature just south of Blackmar Gut.

    I simply love how easy it would be for someone to dig unnoticed here. Hopefully the telephone pole is still there when someone gets there.
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    I feel like I might be close. Finding the bell an figuring out the locations of everything nearby that fits surprisingly well with the image makes it look tempting.

    It's hard to see, but the pink line identifies a possible match with the inside curve of the scythe and the overall shape of the area containing the telephone pole above. The red circle is the location of the boathouse which I think is the primary inspiration for this image. There is a second green star marking a second pole as a possibility, notice it is in the background of the boathouse, which is actually a "watch" pole. Note also the light blue water tower as it looks just like the spiked mace on the arm. Also notice the eaves supports under the boathouse roof as they look very similar to the struts below the arms or a regular telephone pole.

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    Lane
    Joseph Lane
    Two twenty two
    Historic Highway No. 2, Exit 22
    You'll see an arc of lights
    Crown Point's light array, as seen from Interstate-84
    Weight and roots extended
    Fifty-ton boulder on a triple step base
    Together saved the site
    Plaque on boulder memorializes both Sam Hill and Samuel Lancaster
    Of granite walls
    Wind swept halls
    Citadel in the night

    Crown Point
    A wingless bird ascended
    Born of ancient dreams of flight

    Rooster Rock
    Beneath the only standing member
    Of a forest

    Evergreen Highway just to the North
    To the south
    White stone closest

    Stand on 3 foot tall rock (9 o'clock side of outer ring, match the face of boulder), look for Mt. Hood to the southeast as its white peak lines up over the northernmost stone which is connected to the sign board that reads "Portland Women's Forum"
    At twelve paces
    From the west side

    Walk twelve paces north, notice how position intersects the 9 o'clock ring stone.
    Get permission
    To dig out.


    This is basically the same result that I came up with months ago, but I've repackaged it with a few small adjustments.
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    Lane
    Joseph Lane
    Two twenty two
    Historic Highway No. 2, Exit 22
    You'll see an arc of lights

    Crown Point's light array, as seen from Interstate-84
    Weight and roots extended

    Fifty-ton boulder on a triple step base of squares (square roots?)
    Together saved the site
    Preserved the view of...
    Of granite walls
    Wind swept halls
    Citadel in the night


    Crown Point Vista House
    A wingless bird ascended
    Born of ancient dreams of flight


    Rooster Rock
    Beneath the only standing member
    Of a forest


    A lone tree, well over 30 years old, still stands over the boulder
    To the south
    White stone closest

    Stand on 3 foot tall rock (9 o'clock side of outer ring, match the face of boulder), look for Mt. Hood to the southeast as its white peak lines up over the northernmost stone which is connected to the sign board that reads "Portland Women's Forum"
    At twelve paces
    From the west side

    Walk twelve paces north (yes, from the west side of "white stone"), notice how position intersects the 9 o'clock ring stone.
    Get permission
    To dig out.


    This is basically the same result that I came up with months ago, but I've repackaged it with a few small adjustments. I really like the thematic reoccurring use of "2" whereas "Two twenty two", "root" is typically the form of root-2. This interests me in an important way because I have assumed that the "white stone" is an alignment of Mt. Hood's white peak with a tall piece of basalt, but the white stone might also be referring to the rock in the image itself which looks like a little iceberg. I've been convinced in a few ways that this is being used to symbolize Phoca Rock which is in the background down below in the middle of the Columbia River past the view of the Crown Point Vista House. What makes this more compelling is that it is approximately at an angle of 2 o'clock based on 12 o'clock being North (the direction that Ponce and Horse are facing). Phoca isn't really white, which confuses me. Phoca Rock is also known as Sentinel Rock and the point of putting Ponce on top of the mountain and the verse speaking of a citadel lend to the Sentinel interpretation.

    Here is a map showing that Phoca is at the 2 o'clock position from the viewpoint:


    Here is an overhead of the ring of stones and a 12 paces north from the west side of the stone nearest Phoca as white stone:


    Here is my preferred version where Mt. Hood is the white stone and 12 paces north of the sign intersects a line between the boulder and the big tree:


    Lastly, I like the Mt. Hood version most, because it incorporates the primary view of the boulder from standing on the 3' ring stone at the 9 o'clock position which is used to find the right "white stone", but I now realize I've omitted attention to what "closest" means. The tall stone that makes up part of the sign isn't closest, there is a ring stone at the 4 o'clock position which would take precedence, and so I would end up picking this spot:


    Maybe this is a sloppy assumption, but it seems that I might preserve using the Mt. Hood alignment theory AND using the Phoca Rock idea as the new 12 pace estimate puts me at a spot just next to the 2 o'clock stone. Another interesting notion as to why BP chose the 9 o'clock stone for his vantage point is that there are three squares acting as the roots of the Weight, 3 squared = 9.
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    Another alternative is going twelve paces West from the big tree. That would put the spot just North of the boulder which would fit with the horse and Ponce facing That way and looking down at an angle. I'll bring some tools with me to examine the grounds next week. Hope I find something conclusive.
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    Verse9 Image12

    The first chapter
    On October 11, 1890, eighteen women and four men met in Washington for the purpose of organizing the Daughters of the American Revolution. This was the VERY FIRST DAR chapter. A memorial plaque by DAR honors Lt. H. M. Robert at the Redoubt of San Juan Island.
    Written in water
    In Rome, Italy, Keats' epitaph reads "Here lies one whose name is writ in water." One of his poems, Ode to a Nightingale, is our clue to apply Florence Nightingale to this riddle. The artist J.J. Palencar responded with "...elves can be tricksters." when asked about this hunt. Ode to a Nightingale contains the line "As she is fam’d to do, deceiving elf." I do think he was dropping a hint.
    Near men
    The men of the US Army who occupied the American Camp of San Juan Island and lived in the Officer's Quarters building, bored for having nothing to do when Britain refused to go to war over a pig.
    With wind rose
    Think of wind as gale and rose as flora. The "Nightingale Rose" is a statistical chart developed by Florence Nightingale and this polar pie chart method is still used for applications such as meteorology. The weather in the San Juan Island area was of great concern to maritime traffic which depended upon contact with the two lighthouse stations on the island: Cattle Point Lighthouse and Lime Kiln Lighthouse.
    Behind bending branches
    And a green picket fence
    At the base of a tall tree

    Military clues: branch, green, base = US Army. A picket fence surrounds the American Camp and coincidentally, Army Captain George S. Pickett and the men of Company D of the 9th US Infantry were dispatched to San Juan Island during the dispute with the British.
    You can still hear the honking
    Umm....seagulls? (reminds me of a line in Verse7: "sounds from the sky")
    Shell, limestone, silver, salt
    The abalone mollusca, common in the area at the time, have a silvery mother-of-pearl nacre composition of Calcium Carbonate (which is also limestone). According to research the plaster used on the structures in the area wasn't composed of the usual gypsum (plaster of paris), but instead used seashell and horsehair as a binder.
    Stars move by day
    Stars on a US Flag are moving with the wind. A tall flag pole is present at the American Camp.
    Sails pass by night
    Lighthouse. Cattle Point Lighthouse is nearest, down the road on the eastern peninsula.
    Even in darkness
    Without the guidance of light, the ships relied on the Radio Beacon installed on the Cattle Point Lighthouse which allowed navigation even in dense fog.
    Like moonlight in teardrops
    This line goes well with "written in water", as it speaks of grief and passing on and moonlight is set in "night," the final reinforcing clue to Florence Nightingale who as a nurse dealt with many victims and wounded of war.
    Over the tall grass
    Years pass, rain falls.

    The American Camp had a hospital building. I'm starting to put it together now as it follows that a nurse would be synonymous with hospital. Where once a hospital building stood "over" it's dirt foundation and after a hundred weathering years, only tall grass now stands.


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    Image 9 Verse 10 ideas:

    I think Egbert and Johann were on to something. There is a strong resemblance to Shylock and Egbert nailed the Harding reference in Vancouver.

    More soon, just finished searching the forums and nobody has yet developed on those ideas. I came at it from a Puck angle. I noticed several mentions of a stone the blue color of midsummer...a clue from the books text to look to Shakespeare? Also, Palencar hinting about elves being deceiving is a loud hint.

    I've edited to show what it looks like when you put the heads and hands of the two statues together



    The Robin Goodfellow / Leg eater comparison



    I know how people are gonna dislike this mashup, but I couldn't resist, the overhead view of the Harding memorial is definitely an element to be found in the blob...all I did is a little shuffling, like flip the bath, dragged the front facing image beneath the overhead and threw one of the side blocks with beast on the side. And then I went crazy with the black spray can tool...and frankenblob is reborn.



    Now on to the verse: using v10 has to be the way to go. Maybe there is a way to tie in the Theater just to the south, it's called the Theater Under the Stars and it customarily hosts two plays in Summer. I see the theater has a nice V shape from overhead.

    I recognize the exact matchery in the leg eater, but the problem I have is that my interpretation is more a priori, stemming from the idea that the horned beast lunching on a leg comes from something archetypal which the maker of the lamp would've used in the lamps creation.

    Pan, Faun, Satyr are all good prospects...perhaps even Prospero's Caliban. I say Puck only because of the way it riddles its way into the hockey idea of the Stanley Cup. It's late, and I've been staring at a map for a little while longer than usual and maybe I'm seeing something, maybe not...30 years, can do funny things to places... Here's no change of orientation or skewing involved, as is, with a few simple highlights in red:



    Here I started with the Harding memorial, but other than the hacked-blob it didn't seem like an iconic image. Looking for an iconic image I found Mitchell Island fits the hat outline to a fair degree when flipped upside down (not mirrored, just turned). The business with the funky ragged curves on the top right part of the hat weren't characteristic of Mitchell Island, but I found a beach along the path in the direction of Stanley Park where the Harding memorial is located that did fit in a rough way. My eye can't account for erosion but that is typical with coastlines and so let's give it a good hard look. I'm not sure, but maybe that's the way the Picture Path is intended to work.

    To be perfectly clear, only upside down 180 degree rotation is used here. (The Terminal Tower in image 4 also used this idea)



    Note: interesting to see the name Mitchell...

    The path takes us right on up into Stanley Park and the casque just might be near the totem poles just past the Harding monument and Theater. Rhapsodic man's soil: Native American setting?
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