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    Also, Cleveland Ohio was not named for President Grover Cleveland, it was named and founded by MOSES Cleaveland. Different guy.
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    Cleveland's founding isn't related to a president. Moses Cleaveland was a general however and i'm intent on seeing a theme in military generals.
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    Ah but there is..... I have been spending the day investigating, and here is what I have discovered. It is not necessarily and president, just the name. BUT the 2 cities where the keys were discovered have Federal Reserves there, and so I dug up info on those, and got a list of these, WHICH IS 12, and a listing of the denominations of the federal reserve bank notes, of which there are 11.
    Now, in the 2 towns where keys were uncovered, there was fairly direct connection with a park that had a name in it, that matched up with the portrait on one of the bills.
    Grant was on the 50, and Cleveland was on the 1000. I don't think it is related to the president, or anything like that, just the name......
    Now, Most of the bills are named after presidents, except 2, Franklin and Chase. Using this reasoning, I mapped out all the reserves, and am looking at nearby parks with names that are the same as the portraits, in the cities where the Federal Reserve buildings are.
    It is at least a connection that matches the 2 known discoveries, and most of the cities are ones I have seen listed as possible sites already, this just gives a line of reasoning to follow.
    Look up the federal Reserve on Wikipedia, and it will show the locations of the branches, and I am thinking that since there are 12, and the author mentioned that one key was in Canada, you would have to eliminate one of the branches, but I don't know which one.
    I am just hoping to crack this nut, and possibly find one of the keys still intact. If there is one in St. Louis, that would be great, but with having 30 years passed, AND major reconstruction around the area of one of the leads, I am not too hopeful. but you never know......
    I have been trying to decipher if he left any clues, using the theme I am studying, that can be used to tie together a picture to a verse. I was looking at the reserve designation for each branch, but that doesn't work out.
    I have also been using Google Earth HEAVILY to review what I can of areas around each park I see that looks promising to me. There are sub-branches to the federal reserve centers, also, that could have been used, also. I haven't mapped those out, yet, but will be looking into those, also.
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    Kevin, you have an interesting idea, only I can't see how the images identify with vintage bills printed 1981 or earlier. I've come up with a small variety of "new" ideas that have a considerable "ignore" factor when it comes to defying the main views. Your idea is edgy and as i don't yet see the correlation to the imagery, I have to say it's also ignoring a lot of good ideas that are seen as confirmed by the Chicago and Cleveland solutions.
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    Actually the idea came about partially because of the 2 found keys. Chicago and Cleveland Both have Federal Reserves there, and Grants Park is obvious, but the Grecian Culture Garden does not fit, unless there is a tie in on the back of a bill to that park. I am anxious to gain access to Q4T to review all of their info. so far all I have access is to what is on here, and The Secret Wikipage.
    I am trying to think of it in terms of someone who was traveling into an area, with very little foreknowledge except possibly some maps or travel guides, as this was Pre-Internet. with probably a predetermined location in mind. So looking at maps, pre 1981, would have focused on the landmarks, which was probably what he was using at the time. I recall someone mentioning that the author had stated that this had been put together fairly quickly, and he didn't put a whole lot of thought into it.
    Who kows, perhaps I am onto something with this line of reasoning, the Federal Reserve fits the 2 keys found, and I suspect the author had some common theme among the cities. I have heard the idea of immigration as a theme, which also fits in well, especially since it kind of is the focus in the book. I have been running through that Idea also.
    Oh well, I have a long time to catch up with the old timers, and when I get accepted over at Q4T, I expect a lot of late nights reading the information stored there.

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    Kevin, though you have certainly come up with a newer idea, it's probably a good idea to read through the postson Q4T first before you jump into this with a theme. Two solutions do not a trend make. This puzzle is fairly straightforward. Visual clues (not obliquely reasoned) are the real key to this. The verses are meant to confirm visual clues in the paintings. If you don't have a visual clue, you probably don't have a solution. If anything can be learned from the two existing solutions, that is it. Unlike later puzzles and hunts, there didn't seem to be any overarching theme to the solutions. Backward engineering in these puzzles does not work well. There are fairly concrete answers for at least two of the puzzles that were not solved--Houston being one of them--and that will never be confirmed NOT because they are not correct, but because time has altered the landscape so much that it is now impossible to unearth the casque. Milwaukee may be another one in that situation. The only thing it is essential to remember here is that Preiss assumed these would be found very quickly--I'm sure he never thought nothing would be found for 30 years. So much can happen in that length of time--trees grow and die, landmarks get remodeled, places undergo name changes, weather wreaks havoc. If Katrina had not happened to New Orleans, a casque might have been found there--but it did, and it's probably created a vain hope. Even if you do find one, you will not get the prize, but you probably already know that anyway.
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    Thanks, but you can't access the forums at Q4T without access, which I am waiting for, so I can review all the info that has been put forth over there.
    Until that time, all I can do is work from my own conclusions, and there is method to my madness, and reasoning, In a number of the pictures, there are profiles of faces, and the profiles appear, at least to me, to match up to historic images. Most of them, at least to me, appear to be presidents, and in my searches, these profiles also appeared to match the profile of the faces on Federal Reserve Currency. So in that essence, there IS a visual clue in the pictures, which led me to looking at the fed reserve cities as possible sites. I didn't just pull the idea out of the air, but actually do see the profiles of the faces in the pictures.
    It could just be coincidence that the 2 found, and the other 2 you mentioned all have federal reserve banks in those cities, and New Orleans does also, so perhaps there is some justification for at least looking at that as a possible list of cities that he worked from to hide the casques.

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    Its good to see you land on something and pursue it extensively and share with the community so that we can consider a new angle. If anything you are finding the right path or finding out why it isnt right. Its really a win win, but be prepared for an amazing amount of material at Q4T. I am just 2/3rds through i all and I still have to reread posts because i missed good ideas the first time around. The hardest thing about it all is overcoming my own inclination to overcomplicate. Recently i proposed an anagram to an acrostic...it really isnt an anagram, but rearranging the lines of a verse (but not the words in the lines themselves) does strain the boundaries for whats expected to be straightforward. I took a jumbled acrostic ending in ...SELOY and found a way to use all the letters for TONWWASAYSSELBY, which at that point seems straightforaward to mean "to northwest washington says Selby". When i cross reference two keypoints 'northwest washington' and the name Selby, i discover the coincidence that Selby Harney was a General in the Mexican-American war and later oversaw military deployment in the northwest trerritoriy. He dispatched General George Pickett to Northwest Washington's San Juan Island. At that point it seems i've leapt onto a fiery bridge with my logic, but its still interesting to stay the course and see what emerges. This is a community working together. Work as hard as you can and maybe your contribution will be just what is needed to find a casque.
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    It could just be coincidence that the 2 found, and the other 2 you mentioned
    all have federal reserve banks in those cities, and New Orleans does also, so
    perhaps there is some justification for at least looking at that as a possible
    list of cities that he worked from to hide the casques.
    I have no objection to new ideas, and I didn't think you pulled it out of the air...but your quote above---it's sort of like saying that there are tall buildings in large cities. NUMEROUS large cities have federal reserve banks. That isn't a "trend" it's just a demographic fact; from the solutions to the other puzzles, it probably has nothing to do with anything. Note: each painting has a landmark of some sort. Each painting has a birthstone, a month and a flower also assigned. Those had nothing to do with the solution--except that the birthstones tell you what jewel goes with what casque. That was the jewel you won if you unearthed it. The flowers had nothing to do with the solution. Neither did the month. They don't match the verses, they don't point to the burial sites. The landmarks DO. Very much. So do the latitudes and longitudes. More than almost anything, they confirm what city you should be looking in. From there, you use the verse to pinpoint the location, confirm it by what imagery you find in the paintings. and dig. It's not a very complex puzzle, but it has one advantage over other puzzles--by not being complicated, it has managed to conceal the locations extremely well--you might even say things are sort of hidden in plain sight. Trouble is, that sight was 30 years ago, and so many things have changed that it is becoming almost impossible to get enough information about how things looked in the past in order to use the simple method. Just remember--Occam's Razor. As Eric says, it's very easy to overcomplicate things in this puzzle, first, because we're used to doing that now--puzzles have come a long LONG way since The Secret was published--and second, because it is tempting to do internet searching, which really isn't that effective. Preiss didn't use it. He used VISUAL confirmers only. He went to the locations, buried the casques in some out-of-the-way places (remember: no flower beds or cemetaries!) and then took pictures, which he gave to Palencar to paint into the pictures. If you want to backwards engineer something, remember that he probably would not have used anything MORE than a park map, or a visual picture taken from some higher elevation. He would not have used aerial photos, satellite photos, or any other mapping technique. It just wasn't available. As for profiles of the presidents, I would doubt that only because they would not lead you to a casque specifically. There is enough in those paintings to us without using that technique. But you need to follow up on what ideas YOU have--and don't worry about other people approving of what you do or say. Just because people may ignore your ideas, does not mean they aren't listening to them--it's just that after several years of working on this puzzle, most of us have heard just about every idea more than once, and 99% of them don't go anywhere.
    For my own satisfaction, I'd like to see someone follow up on some of the ideas already put forth. Like the New York ones, or the Florida one. These are still possible. I doubt if there will ever be anything found in NO, or Houston--the landscapes have been ravaged by weather and time. Still, you have to do what you have to do. So go for it.
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    Thanks, and hopefully I will have access to Q4T soon, so I can review all of the research that has been done over the years. There was a mention, in another posting, that stated that someone had talked to the author, who had at least confirmed that there was a casque in St. Louis. Does anyone know what map and verse he was working from?
    I work with maps, and have been trying to think along those lines, as to what wold have been available to the author at the time, 1980, 1981. I figure at most he might have had a state map, and possibly a local guide map for any location he was working with, which also brings up another problem, and that is that the maps themselves have changed in the passing years, with annexations, incorporation, and also the dissolving of many areas around the country. In St Louis county alone, there has been one community that dissolved, and a number of annexations, BUT I have the luxury of working with the GIS data, and have the ability to peer back in time and see the boundaries as they were, without having to dig around to find old maps, just adjust a few layers, and there it is. I also have a variety of data layer info that I reference, an exceptionally useful one in build dates. Using that I can weed out a lot of stuff that has been constructed in the past 30 years. We also have historical aerials, which allows me to look back into the past on what was at a particular location, such as parks, and see things like what the golf course in Forest Park looked like prior to the addition of the other set of holes, and the reconstruction of the original holes. That happened in the late 80's or early 90's. I wish I had access to data from other areas to evaluate, as needed, and I occasionally do find some data out there on the web, but the main tool I am using is my head, and eyes to evaluate everything to seek an answer.

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