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    I am fairly certain I am on to the key in St Louis. I have identified several of the images in the picture, along with the map of the area, but the verse I believe goes with it does not quite seem right. I will have to take a trip to the location and verify a few things before proceeding. I don't want to spoil it yet, but if I am right, then the key might be lost due to construction, and I might not be able to 100% verify everything. When I go, I plan on taking a digital camera and documenting what I find, but I might be around 10 to 12 years too late. It all depends on whether the particular area was worked over or not. From aerials back to 1981, the area looks the same up to around 1997, then there was a major renovation project that rehabbed a large part of the area, right where I think the key was buried. There are a few of the images that I can't find references for at the site, but hopefully a field trip will help out.

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    It's a huge challenge matching the right verse to an image. I have no clue for half of them.

    Which verse and image are you pairing for St. Louis?
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    I am looking at image 7, but haven't landed on a solid one for the verse. The area I am looking at is called Cricket Field, and is in Forest Park in St Louis. The area I am kind of focused on is bounded to the north by the Jewel Box, and to the south, the Cricket Fields, with the Muny in the center.
    There are several things in the picture, and in other areas of the book that indicate this area to me.
    Also, if any members of Q4T are here, could you contact Mark Parry over there for me. He gave me access, I am KevinL over there, but I need to verify my email before I can log in, and the site keeps giving me an error message when I try to send the email I need to reply to, to verify my email address. AND, I tried to reply to Marks email to me, but all I keep getting is Daemon Error, and a long message basically telling me that his email address can not be reached. SO I am hoping that one of the members here, and there will contact him for me and advise him that I am still having problems getting logged onto his site. Thanks

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    Some of my reasoning on image 7 is as follows. The Mask Image also look like Ken Page, who got his start at the Muny in the late 70's early 80's, the flower in the upper left, if you rotate the image to put the darkened areas in the outside ring of the clock at the bottom of the ring, and look at the flower, numbers are in it, that change according to the rotation, there is a Grandfather Clock ALMOST identical to the one shown in the image in the Art Museum. the shape of the shirt sleve matches the designs I have seen on the railing supports around the lakes, The hand, I haven't figures, nor the image in the clock, but in Google Earth, when you are right in front of the Ticket Offices for the Muny, there is a design in the floor, and one of the characters appears to look llike that image, but kind of hard to tell from Google Earth.
    There is 2 verses that kind of stand out with the theme, and one line in particular that refers to a wingless bird ascended, Born of ancient dreams of flight, which to me directly represents a Helicopter, and there was ONE play at the Muny, in which they actually landed a real helicopter on the stage. That to me sounds like a direct link to that event, and quite a bit of the rest of that verse sounds remarkably like the area around the Muny.
    Hopefully I can get up early saturday and take a run down there, before the crowds arrive.

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    Kevin, have you considered the fact that the latitude and longitude in the image point directly to New Orleans, and not St. Louis? There is an image that has lat/long for St. Louis, however: that would be image 9.
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    Yes, I have been looking at Image 9 also, and focusing around the same area.
    From the 2 found, parks appear a good place to focus the searches on, and Forest Park is THE major park in St Louis, although there are several others I have been looking at, such as Tower Grove and the Botanical Gardens.
    Shecrab, are you a member of Q4t? I am looking for someone to contact Mark for me so I can access the site and review the discussions there.

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    Yes I'm a member of Q4t. What do you want me to do?

    Also--remember that in Image 9 there are other confirmers pointing to St. Louis: the "stairstep" detail on the man's collar is the same as the Jewel Box in Forest Park, and the checkerboard pattern on his cuffs and coat may point to the Purina Co. It's far more likely that this image points to St. Louis than Image 7 does.
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    Oh Thank You.
    Could you please contact Mark Parry for me. I am KevinL there, and am listed as the newest member on there.
    Mark emailed me on July 4 to inform me that I had been verified and had access, so I could begin to review all the info over there, BUT when I try to log in, I get a message telling me that my email needs to be verified first, and when I click on the button to send that verification email, I get an error, and no email is sent from the site. I tried to reply to Marks email, but I get a Daemon error, and a message from my server saying that it took to long to find his email server. If you could ask him to email me, and I can explain that to him, so I can get my email verified, I would GREATLY appreciate that.
    Also, in image 9, I have located an area, which I hope to visit tomorrow, that is NOT in Forest Park, BUT I have come to the belief that this park MIGHT hold more links to the image, I am also, right now also focusing on Verse 10, which for this specific location sounds like the best choice. After I visit the site, or next week I will explain the reasoning and the location, and also a possible link to the first 2 locations where the Keys were found. If this pans out, I don't know if anything will still be there, but this specific location, I don't think has been altered very much in the past 30 years. From the Aerials I have access to, the oldest one for the location is 1988, but most of it looks the same, except for trees.
    One question, you may help me with, since I am not on Q4T yet, what has been the general line of thought on the phrase "Rhapsodic Man's Soil"?
    For this particular location, it might have something to do with who the location is named after, as this person, for reasons I a have uncovered, held a VERY controversial position in the hearts of a large portion of the residents of St Louis in his day, and looking up Rhapsody in the dictionary defines that word as the blending of disharmony to create harmony, if I am reading it correctly, and this person surely did that, in the long run.
    Thanks for pointing me back on to image 9. I hope something comes of it.

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    Hey Kevin---I sent a message to Mark Parry for you. Quoted your post so he would have the info. Good luck.

    As for V 10, it's not been paired with I 9 to my knowledge. So you are in sort of uncharted territory here. However, the thoughts that have surfaced regarding Rhapsodic Man are numerous for its pairing with the other images: notably Image 12, the New York one. Though I am not in favor of that Image and that verse pair. I pair up I12 with v 7 and make a fairly convincing case in the thread on that image at Q4t. But more about that later. Rhapsodic means several things: it means someone who is given to extravagant or lyrical turns of mind or creativity, or it can ALSO mean someone who writes epic poetry (such as the Iliad), or it can mean someone who writes musical compositions. You'd think this would narrow down the field of possibility, but it doesn't. Especially when it's associated with actual "soil"--or ground. So no conclusions have ever been reached about it. Of course one of the first explanations was that it had to do with Gershwin for his Rhapsody in Blue--and therefore was associated with NYC. I don't think that's the case, myself. I once used this verse to suppose a location in Niagara Falls NY, and the rhapsodic man in that case was an epic poet who is buried near the falls--he wrote an epic poem called Niagara, about the area. What you probably should not do is confine the term rhapsodic to music; that might limit your choices. We have never found anyone who was known as a "rhapsodic man" or had that nickname or anything. Who is it you are thinking of? I liked your interpretation of the word. My thoughts are that this term refers to some piece of ground that the rhapsodic man either owned or lived on no matter how it's interpreted.
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    Kevin, check your PMs. Parry replied.
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