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    Quote Originally Posted by erexere View Post
    You can still hear the honking - seabirds
    Shell, limestone, silver, salt - abalone
    Like moonlight in teardrops -
    I feel like it's time for folks to celebrate...soon. In the following graphical cut-paste collage I've done my best to clearly illustrate that it is possible that Priess used the word SHELL when he meant SEASHELL, LIMESTONE in place of CALCIUM CARBONATE, SILVER to describe the luster effect of MOTHER OF PEARL (NACRE), and SALT to reinforce the CALCIUM CABONATE idea, which is a salt just like many other positive/negative ionic compounds like NaCl or AgNO3, etc. Just four words here and yet I have a huge illustration to share in support of my San Juan Island theory with a P12 V9 pairing. I've also inserted an idea that "the moonlight in teardrops" could also be referencing pearls which are known to come in a teardrop shape.

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    Excerpt from Brian Wiegand's Genealogy Page
    General William Selby Harney

    If you tried to name some of the famous generals in U.S. history you probably wouldn't mention William Selby Harney. Yet he was very well know in his time and was somewhat of a celebrity. He spent most of his life serving the country in various capacities.

    His service to the United States began in 1818 as a second lieutenant. He began his military career in Louisiana helping remove the smugglers (including Jean Lafitte) operating in the Gulf of Mexico. He then moved on to the Upper Midwest working with the Native Americans, helping to build Fort Winnebago in Portage, Wisconsin and serving in the Black Hawk War. Next came the First Seminole War in Florida, where Harney distinguished himself by being a cool headed leader and developed successful techniques to hunt the Seminoles. He then served in the Mexican War, where he lead a bold attack up the bluffs of El Telégrafo and La Atabery. This again earned him fame and notoriety. The next few years were spent helping keep the peace in Texas and working with the First Dragoons. Harney then led the Battle of Ash Hollow where he was both cursed and praised for his actions. He then spent some time on the Great Plains helping negotiate treaties with several tribes of Native Americans. Harney was then recalled to Florida to help out in the Second and Third Seminole Wars. By the 1850's Harney was again in the Great Plains helping keep the peace in Kansas and helping to end a dispute with the Mormons in Utah. He was then placed in charge of the Department of Oregon and worked to build roads, settle the Native American disputes and almost caused a war with Great Britain because of a dispute on San Juan Island. Returning to Missouri, Harney tried to keep the state out of the Civil War. He worked with both the Southern and Northern factions in the state trying to keep the peace and avoid having Missouri torn apart by war. During the Civil War, Harney spent his time near St. Louis in semi-retirement. When the war was over the United States again called upon Harney to help negotiate treaties with tribes through out the Great Plains and West as a Peace Commissioner. By the 1870's, Harney finally was able to retire and live his remaining years near St. Louis and in Mississippi.

    Harney befriended, worked with and served along with many famous Americans. Their names include Abraham Lincoln, Jefferson Davis, General Twiggs, General Kerney, General Scott, General Jackson, Father Jean DeSmet, General Sherman, Kit Carson, and others.

    His life was dedicated to service to his country at the cost of his personal relationships and family. He spent almost 60 years in the Army at various posts and in numerous positions. He is probably one of the least recognized Generals in the history of the United States, yet career men like Harney helped shape the United States and contributed much to our history.

    Through out the United States many landmarks were named to honor the General. There is Lake Harney in Florida, Harney Peak in South Dakota (the tallest point in the state), Harney County Oregon, and many schools and roads.



    Peace commissioners meet at Fort Laramie in 1868 to negotiate a treaty with the Lakota.
    Seated in the tent are General William S. Harney (with white beard)
    and General William Tecumseh Sherman (head bowed at Harney's left).

    (National Archives [#111-SC-87316])

    Fort Laramie Treaty

    If you are interested in learning more about General Harney please visit my Harney Links page.

    There is also a great new book called "Prince of Dragoons" written by G.Rollie Adams available on Amazon.com.

    Rollie is the 'expert' on the life of the General and offers many insights to his life and military service. He also includes many interesting views on the history of the Army, the settling of the United States and our dealings with the Native Americans. I would highly recommend this book to anyone interested in pre-Civil War history.
    I see a lot of back and forth between the Great Plains and Florida and then on to Oregon Territory. I think Priess studied up on General SELBY Harney and purposely paired the time (c.1513 to 1565) of Ponce de Leon and the Seloy natives as a misdirect in lieu of the Seminole conflicts around and after 1818. I wonder I'd the line "Over the tall grass" is a clue about heading out past the Great Plains by sending Pickett to San Juan. I am compelled to clarify that V9 is truly designed to fool us when paired with P6 instead of P12.
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    Please see this as an alternative and not meant to be as a refutation to anything FOY related.

    I really like the material for FOY, because it has perfectly acceptable qualities of matching a pattern in image and having a reasonable explanation based on the verse.

    I'm am offering nothing new here, but I repackaged some recent selections to marvel at the simplicity of this alternative, given an image 6 and verse 5 pairing. Location: Portland Women's Forum, Corbett, Oregon on Highway 2 Exit 22 in a region (Oregon Territory) first governed by Joseph Lane, first a bird's eye view compared to Ponce's pennant flag with a close up perspective of the boulder in the middle of the ring of stones as compared to Ponce's hilltop.

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    This presents a question to whether verse 9 supports a pairing with image 6 or image 12.

    The first chapter
    Written in water
    Near men
    With wind rose
    Behind bending branches
    And a green picket fence
    At the base of a tall tree
    You can still hear the honking
    Shell, limestone, silver, salt
    Stars move by day
    Sails pass by night
    Even in darkness
    Like moonlight in teardrops
    Over the tall grass
    Years pass, rain falls.

    [considered STRONG evidence based on image 6 and a partial acrostic "...SELOY", an indian tribe that interacted with Ponce deLeon to mean somewhere in St. Augustine Fountain of Youth area.]


    The first chapter
    Over the tall grass

    Near men
    With wind rose

    Written in water
    At the base of a tall tree

    Stars move by day
    And a green picket fence
    You can still hear the honking
    Shell, limestone, silver, salt

    Sails pass by night
    Even in darkness
    Like moonlight in teardrops
    Behind bending branches
    Years pass, rain falls.

    [my position based on image 12 and a complete acrostic matching the military orders General William Selby Harney gave General George Pickett to occupy San Juan Island]

    I marvel at a reading of 'Written in water' to mean a "story of sadness" as it might refer to the mourning of George Pickett for losing his wife and unborn child just before Selby gave him the instructions and the irony in his next marriage to a young indian woman named Morning Mist (homonym: mourning = morning). More importantly there are some drops suspended in air,



    Definition: MIST
    Verb: Cover or become covered with mist.
    Noun: A cloud of tiny water droplets suspended in the atmosphere at or near the earth's surface.
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    I really don't mind that the park authorities are requesting the use of GPR before I take shovel to earth in Corbett, Oregon. I've got a couple folks who might have access to GPR in their work. One runs a navy diving salvage company and the other works with DOT in planning, but that's just a sliver of hope. If real money is required to rent the equipment then I'll have to put things on hold.

    Now, on to the image discussion. In going over my notes with a level headed old timer named Derrek, we landed on a really interesting perspective. The Ponce on horseback on hilltop is really a "King of the Mountain" symbolization. Paired with something I believe is accurate and observable based on my being at the Corbett site, I found that when standing at the spot atop a small circle stone (3 feet high) and looking at the 50-ton center boulder resting on top of the 3 stair base (roots extended), one of the two taller basalt signposts stands below the white snow-capped peak of Mt. Hood. The central idea here is "King of the Mountain" and an actual Mountain is paramount to finding the "white stone closest".

    Yes, the negative outline of Florida is in the image. Yes, there is a palm tree. Yes, Ponce de Leon is on top of that hill. Yes, there's a verse that has a SELOY acrostic. Is it conceivable that BP would do such a thing as utilize some very very very convincing key elements in such an obvious and yet misleading way? If the goal was to make it challenging, then yes. Is it too challenging? What about Corbett, Oregon..or the Columbia River..or Lewis and Clark could possibly lead BP to consider using a Florida motif to mislead us?

    In answer, I think it's sufficient to consider two main points: (1) Joseph Lane was the 1st Governor of the Oregon Territory and Ponce de Leon was the 1st Governor of Peurto Rico, but also there are two Forts named Lane, (a) Fort Lane on Lake Harney in Florida est. 1837 and (b) Fort Lane near Medford Oregon est. 1853, and (2) William Selby Harney has involvement in both Oregon and Florida such that there are places named after him in both areas: Oregon named the town of Harney, Harney Valley, Harney Lake, and Harney County after General Harney. North Dakota's Harney Peak was named after General Harney who mapped it in 1857. Florida has Lake Harney. He died in Orlando, Florida in 1889. He is also part of my theory on image 12 paired with verse 9 for sending General George Pickett to San Juan Island in Northwest Washington.

    Given the potential that these points have for working up a challenge, I think it becomes much easier to relate to Byron Preiss' method of design. Image 6 and Verse 5 was his "King of the Mountain" challenge. He connects Harney in a creative way to disguise an Oregon as Florida location and uses a key connection to lead us to a Washington location. FOY becomes orphaned as a possibility with image 6 (paired wit verse 5) and verse 9 (paired with image 12) leading elsewhere.
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    I have encountered the arguement twice now about a caque location being a port city or having a history of immigration. Corbett is minutes outside of Portland's Airport on the Columbia River. People should learn more about our country's history if they havent heard of Lewis and Clark or the early days of the fur trade...or the Steel trade and the railroads...or the Native American tribes of the Pacific Northwest...come on people, dont throw out ideas without proper consideration.
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    Why am I getting blasted by contrary opinion over at Q4T?

    I'm really sorry FOY doesn't fit in with my ideas. The FOY stuff is really good, but that doesn't mean it has to be correct. I'm putting up more "good stuff" and it doesn't have to be correct either. People need to really learn to work together. Lots and lots of work has been done on FOY and honestly, I can't see a way to help or add to that theory. I bring a new theory forth and it's just not cool to offer such bulk resistance to an idea.
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    Eric, you should really not be quite so thin-skinned about this. Basically, The Secret is a mental exercise--there is almost NO hope of finding a casque anymore--and even if you did, the prize will be basically nothing. You may as well learn to accept resistance because unless you can actually PROVE your theories, that's all they will ever be--and you can be that everyone on this board and Q4t has also gotten resistance for one or more of THEIR theories. All that does is put you in the same category as everyone else on these forums.

    Also--remember that a forum is an exchange of ideas. It's not really a place to get universal agreement about anything. Your theories are just as acceptable as any other theories--but that doesn't mean everyone will agree with them. If you only want agreement, a forum is probably not the best place to be.
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    No. Im not thin skinned at all. Its really easy for me to be a jerk and I get prodded all the time. Here ite different. This is an embarrasment and stagnation that isnt necessary. People with brains are failing to raise the bar and you know it.

    I think ive done a good job not being a jerk. I wish folks would just joinin a conversation in any constructive fashion.
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    Just back from supervising a large group of children. Maybe I'm not any different than the one kid who was crying because nobody would play with her.

    I'm sure it's my impatience getting me into trouble here. A contrary opinion or two without seeing a healthy bit of logical refutation is really what bothers me today. I have read enough posts to see the work and travel put into researching FOY is nothing to scoff about. I put in some serious effort working up an idea but because it conflicts with FOY I'm getting all indication that folks have acquiesced in favor of keeping the status quo.

    Maybe if I should give it time so that people can express their doubts. They can choose for themselves when it's time to engage to achieve success instead of being dismissive.
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