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    Default Expedition Unknown - has Boston been recovered?

    Josh Gates and Expedition Unknown is teasing a mega announcement coming on the season finale to air on October 30th.

    "Get ready for a jaw-dropping season-finale, next week on Discovery!"

    I don't access the Facebook group nor the fan-run podcast nor whatever goes on in reddit, but it seems that several people had been looking at a solution which ends in a baseball field in Boston. People approached a grounds crew which was digging in the area and asked them to be on alert for any objects they might unearth. Now we might have reason to believe that *something* was found, and evidence suggests it was the remains of a casque. We shall see...

    "Rumor is the Boston casque and key has been accidentally discovered by a construction crew. I cannot confirm but this one has a ring of truth to it."

    Some photos are circulating, but solid proof is being kept quiet until the show airs. Of course.

    Links:
    https://twitter.com/joshuagates/stat...80430438682625
    https://twitter.com/Discovery/status...72227415969793
    https://twitter.com/JamesRenner/stat...82835959701507

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    Boston has indeed been recovered!

    https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/stat...29782705922053

    an article in The Boston Globe is behind a paywall, but there are ways to read it for free.

    Hidden treasure, a family’s quest, and 'The Secret'
    For 37 years, a hidden treasure lay buried in Boston as thousands pondered the riddle that would lead to its location. In 2019, a local family tracked it down.

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    So I'm gonna give a shot replying to this, because we "found" the Chicago location in the early 1990's (pre-internet, so we didn't know it'd already been found-- there was nothing there but the arched metal fence still existed and was leaned against a fixed, permanent fence abutting the sunken railroad tracks). We moved to Boston in the late 90's and eventually developed a theory on where the Boston treasure was. I'd posted here (or somewhere?) years ago about the Chicago location, but someone deleted some of my details and no one seemed interested, so we didn't post about Boston. Plus we were still looking for it.

    Our last search in person was a year ago in November-- it was FREEZING out. Record breaking cold. We were out there for Thanksgiving. (Moved back to Chicago about 10 years ago).

    We were so sure it was where we thought, we'd sent family members looking when they were out vacationing. Keep in mind, this was while this whole board was on the other side of Boston with all kinds of erroneous clues.

    Anyway, here's how the clues tracked:

    "If Thucydides is North of Xenophon"= Thanks internet, love the library at Copley, but would've never known.

    'Take five steps In the area of his direction' = Thucydides is North, five stops North from Copley to North Station on the MBTA Green Line, which puts you at the North End neighborhood.

    "A green tower of lights In the middle section"= This got tricky because when the book was written, I-93 was still a monstrosity in the sky in the north end. By the late 90's, early 2000's the Big Dig-- a massive engineering project to bury I-93 waaaay underground-- was in full swing and that whole area was dug up and torn all to hell. Not to mention a whole new waterfront park and bridge and...hell, everything. So we stuck to what had been there and hadn't changed, along with the context of later lines and came up with: The lights for the ball fields in Langone Park. They were very tall, and some historical photos we were able to find showed they were painted green in the 80's. That said, we weren't 1000% sure.

    "Near those Who pass the coliseum With metal walls"=This was the part that sealed the deal for us. Everybody wanted Fenway. Nope. There's an icerink right next to Langone Park. It has metal walls. https://www.yelp.com/biz/steriti-memorial-rink-boston The first time we went there was about 20 years ago. So much had been dug up and moved, along the waterfront there, it was hard to be 1000% sure where the treasure would be, but we knew that was the coliseum with metal walls.

    "Face the water Your back to the stairs"= Boom. You're right there. No doubt. This is a Google Street view: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3681...7i16384!8i8192 The water is in front of you, the stairs behind you, the ice rink down the road to the left.

    "Feel at home"= we suspected home plate, but by the late 90's there were multiple ball fields. And without being 1000% sure, are you going to dig up home plate?! In BOSTON?! Have you seen the Red Sox fans??!! They're not outliers. That's what Boston sports people are like! A year ago, freezing our butts off in record-breaking cold, we stood looking at home plate in the center field. But the ground, was frozen, so were we, and it was dark out.

    "All the letters are here to see."=I always thought this was a reference to Copp's Hill Burying Ground at the top of the stairs. My husband thought it meant the scoreboard. Only Mr. Priess knows for sure.

    "Eighteenth day, Twelfth hour, Lit by lamplight"=North Church and Paul Revere, which is on the same street and visible from the entrance of Copp's Hill Burying Ground.

    "In truth, be free."= No idea. Since there was an "x marks the spot" clue in Chicago, but no such definitive pointer on site in Boston, I wonder whether there would've been a plaque near the site in the 1980's. We looked all over for one, so we'd know where to dig. Obviously never found it.

    Visual clues: Those balls are bocce balls. There's a bocce court right next to the ball field at Langone Park. (although we had also searched other bocce courts nearby). The outline of the lady's hair is like the docks that surround that end of Boston, around Commercial Street and Boston Harbor. The sash features nautical flags. I can't remember where the hell we saw some, but they're around down there. Some cold windy park. There are also built-in chessboards in various parks around the North End-- some of the pattern might be reference to those.The bird is a reference to Black Falcon cruise terminal. The fairy MIGHT be a reference to the large dairy can in front of the Children's Museum-- a stretch, but I always thought she looked like a dairy maid and who knows what outfits people wore to serve snacks there in the 80's. Yes, there are longitude and latitude clues in the visual.

    All in all, the Chicago visuals were more obvious. And I'm surprised this puzzle had no reference to the Great Molasses Flood which happened right in that area in 1919 and killed 21 people (it got so hot a massive tank of molasses exploded and flooded the North End! "The wave was 2.3 million gallons, moving at 35 miles per hour, 25 feet high and 160 feet wide at its outset, rushing through the city's crowded and densely populated North End.").

    But who knows? In the 1980's there may have been many more visual tie-ins that got remodeled away over the years. Even by the late 90's, Boston had upgraded a lot of features in that area.

    Anyway, this is the 2nd one we "found". It takes a long time to type all this out. I hope no one deletes it.

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    i looked at the img again, now that we know it was under home plate
    if you look at her right hand sleeve near the wrist, you can see a gray
    triangle shape. thinking back, i think over at Q4T there was talk, that
    shape could be the shape of park or base of a statue
    hoping that josh does a line by line solve, with the area and clues in
    the img of the objects, not a rush job ya know
    http://thesecret.pbworks.com/f/1411675441/grid11.jpg

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    Really makes you question the other 'solutions' on there, as the Boston one seemed to fit so well, especially with the "Two Circles" park thing seeming to fit so closely. And then it turns out the globes were bocci balls sad trombone

    Just reading the 'solution' to :
    "Feel at home"

    This is most likely a reference to the song "Dirty Water," recorded by the Standells in 1966. The song's refrain emphasizes the line "Boston you're my home." According to Wikipedia, the song "is beloved by the city of Boston and its sports fans." The reference to "Dirty Water" would be particularly appropriate for a site along the Muddy River.

    Oh boy.

    Now I'm reading the tougher ones like NY and Montreal with a grain of salt the size of a bocci ball. They weren't even close on this one. Not even in the ballpark, no pun intended.
    Preiss was going for the simplest easiest stuff. No research or anything necessary. Nobody even knows what he means by "all the letters here to see" and "in truth be free" means, and it didn't matter anyway.

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    Josh did do a walkthrough of every line in the verse, including all the letters to see. Great episode. Have my book back out (plus some other books) haha. They even had the artist on at the end who explained the picture clues.

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    What were the letters to see?

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    Enjoyed watching the episode last night as well, especially when the artist showed how each letter of "Boston" was hidden in the image. The "letters to see" were the US naval signal flags hoisted on the moored USS Constitution at the Boston Navy Yard, originally called the Charlestown Navy Yard. The USS Constitution was built at Hartt's shipyard in the North End of Boston, where Langone Park is located as well.

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    thought it was a great show too, love it when JJP talked about the painting
    im going to have to watch again, as i thought i heard all notes and pics ect
    were destroyed, yet JJP remembered a lot of details from something he did
    in the 80s

    some info on the park and the ship
    Puopolo Park and Langone Park were designed in 1894 by Frederick Law Olmsted's firm
    Andrew P. Puopolo. Junior Athletic Field | Summer on the Waterfront

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Puopolo
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langone_Park

    uss-constitution started flying signal flags in the 70s and
    had turn arounds on july4
    https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/20...round-cruises/

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    Reply to bnut about some song lyrics:

    Interesting thought I had about the lines from the verse for Boston,

    "Feel at home
    All the letters are here to see"

    Compare to Simon and Garfunkles 2nd verse of Mrs Robinson,

    "Look around you all you see are sympathetic eyes
    Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home."
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