1. Originally Posted by Molnar
Bwahahaha! I just figured out what the mirror on the Faq page means. Boy, am I oblivious sometimes (ok, alot).
Thought you were too busy to work on this - I assume you need the mirror in conjunction with another image on one of the other pages, right?

2. I did say probably too busy. I was bored today, so I did some idle exploring.

I wouldn't worry about the mirror if you already have something for the Faq page. It just points out the "proper" method of solution.

3. ## Front Cover

Anyone able to get a decode of the front cover of the book?

It's hard to read some of the pigpen, but so far I see Apollos Resplendent...

4. I've read the early chapters of Codebreakers mentioned by the author at the end of the book. Hieroglyphs come up and runes, and pigpen is briefly slagged off.

The chapter which includes vigenere explains that what is considered vigenere today is a watered down version of vigeneres original methods which in turn were put together from other people's ideas. This is mentioned on the wiki page.

I don't think trying decrytping vigenere's stronger ciphers will be much help.

I'm at a loss what to do next - wait for more clues from the author I suppose, but he seems a bit shy!

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If you are talking about the Jack Grid, I think it is futile to try anything like a Vigenere or simple substitution cipher. Just look at the frequency of the letters. There are no letterst with fewer than 14 occurrences. This is "flat" to the extreme. No, I think it was designed by choosing an even distribution of letters, and then making the changes to embed the necessary messages.

So I predict that any additional messages will be of the "grille" type, three of which are given as examples, and one of which involves one of the other clues. That is, I think that will be a minimum. Recall that at least one of the clues ( Pigpen ) required a second decipher.

The Jack of Diamonds and the Warning sign, probably clues, but I haven't figured them out yet.

carolinus

6. Originally Posted by carolinus
If you are talking about the Jack Grid, I think it is futile to try anything like a Vigenere or simple substitution cipher. Just look at the frequency of the letters. There are no letterst with fewer than 14 occurrences. This is "flat" to the extreme. No, I think it was designed by choosing an even distribution of letters, and then making the changes to embed the necessary messages.

So I predict that any additional messages will be of the "grille" type, three of which are given as examples, and one of which involves one of the other clues. That is, I think that will be a minimum. Recall that at least one of the clues ( Pigpen ) required a second decipher.

The Jack of Diamonds and the Warning sign, probably clues, but I haven't figured them out yet.

carolinus
yes, then there is the prime grid - any use for that yet?

7. Originally Posted by carolinus
If you are talking about the Jack Grid, I think it is futile to try anything like a Vigenere or simple substitution cipher. Just look at the frequency of the letters. There are no letterst with fewer than 14 occurrences. This is "flat" to the extreme. No, I think it was designed by choosing an even distribution of letters, and then making the changes to embed the necessary messages.

So I predict that any additional messages will be of the "grille" type, three of which are given as examples, and one of which involves one of the other clues. That is, I think that will be a minimum. Recall that at least one of the clues ( Pigpen ) required a second decipher.

The Jack of Diamonds and the Warning sign, probably clues, but I haven't figured them out yet.

carolinus
Hello Carolinus, I thought the signature of a Vigenere was to give a completely flat spread. The flatness and a vigenere being used in the book was the reason I assumed it was vigenere.

When you say 3 'grille' examples are given do you mean in the codebreaker book? One grille is used as a visual tool in the Tavernier book, and we are given a prime sieve in the greek grid as Stvwx mentions. Which 3 examples do you mean?

thanks

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Originally Posted by tinyintelligentmachine
Originally Posted by carolinus
If you are talking about the Jack Grid, I think it is futile to try anything like a Vigenere or simple substitution cipher. Just look at the frequency of the letters. There are no letterst with fewer than 14 occurrences. This is "flat" to the extreme. No, I think it was designed by choosing an even distribution of letters, and then making the changes to embed the necessary messages.

So I predict that any additional messages will be of the "grille" type, three of which are given as examples, and one of which involves one of the other clues. That is, I think that will be a minimum. Recall that at least one of the clues ( Pigpen ) required a second decipher.

The Jack of Diamonds and the Warning sign, probably clues, but I haven't figured them out yet.

carolinus
Hello Carolinus, I thought the signature of a Vigenere was to give a completely flat spread. The flatness and a vigenere being used in the book was the reason I assumed it was vigenere.

When you say 3 'grille' examples are given do you mean in the codebreaker book? One grille is used as a visual tool in the Tavernier book, and we are given a prime sieve in the greek grid as Stvwx mentions. Which 3 examples do you mean?

thanks
Sorry I wasn't clear, but there are three messages in colors and capitals on the Jack Grid, YOU CAN DO IT, GOOD LUCK, and BE VERY CAREFUL. Essentially, these are examples are grilles, but they are highlighted and capitalized instead of using an actual grille.

I haven't worked out a use for the prime grid yet. The one in the book started at 1006, where this one starts at 1, but I haven't seen where either could be put to use.

carolinus

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Apollos Resplendent Apogee today, hope there a new clue, I'm still lost.

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## Re: Apollos Resplendent Apogee

I made special note of it myself, since I have been staring at the phrase for a month now. One thing bothers me, though. Here, in Pennsylvania, where I live(between Lancaster and Philadelphia, no less), it occurred at 1 PM, since we observe Daylight Savings Time. It happened at noon in the book. Do they have Daylight Savings Time in Germany?

carolinus