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    So far many parts of the puzzle have been solved including:

    The hieroglyphs
    The stones
    The FAQ border
    The Stars
    The Pigpen
    The coffin
    The runes
    The red, yellow and blue messages.
    The key
    The river names

    These weren't too difficult so the author must have assumed we'd get these parts quickly.
    They all consist of story fragments, which fit together to tell part of a story about Eratosthenes measuring the girth of the planet in Alexandria in 240 BC. There are gaps in the story so it looks as if other puzzles reveal the rest of the story. (perhaps including the
    words LIBRARY, FIVE THOUSAND, MULTIPLIED, etc...)

    Remaining to be solved/used are

    1. The 10*10 greek symbols (and the prime number sieve)
    2. The 20*20 Jack Of Diamonds letter grid
    3. The map
    4. The SATOR square

    The problem is how?

    The map names seem to be random historical items and other things. They don't look like a word puzzle. Many of them aren't mentioned in the book at all - they don't look like anagrams.

    The SATOR square is a historical icon so it may just be used to indicate a change of direction, or perhaps as a keyword. At 5*5 it can be overlaid onto everything at various scales.

    The Jack Of Diamonds and warning sign seem to indicate to turn the letter grid by 45 degrees - but then what? and why Jack of Diamonds? The spread on that grid is very flat so perhaps a vignere cipher involved?

    The Greek symbols have an approximate alphabetic spread (oddly nothing appears only once) - so maybe it needs splitting into two parts? Or overlaying onto other grid. The prime sieve goes nowhere - could it be overlaid onto other grid (removing some letters)

    The only thing which I have found is that when the 10*10 grid is lined up with the map you can see that there are exactly 17 mountain tops and one of them isn't named (the last one next to nineveh). Why?

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    So for the moment I'm stuck. I've tried reverse engineering the words LIBRARY etc into the vignere grid with no luck. I can't see what to do next. Usually a puzzle will have some kind of direction indicated - but here no - just some unused grids lying around. Overlaying grids just result in more grids and nothing is compelling me to do it.

    Help!

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    What about something like using the prime sieve on the 5x5 sator square and overlaying that on the greek square 4 times?? I don't klnow what to make of any of the puzzles that are left....been sitting at a brick wall all week. I do like how the sator square letters are alomost the same as in Eratosthenes except the sator square has a P and the Eratosthenes has an H. Can you think of anything to do with that? Switching out P's for H's in something?

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    I tried a couple of things like that but I couldn't see any reason to do it. That's my problem - nothing indicates what we should do. Just trying endless variations of grid rotations and reflections and overlays or throwing various words from the book into the vigenere seems a bit random to me. Not very satisfactory if it is the solution. There must be some hint or clue we're missing as to how to put together what we haven't used:

    Jack Diamonds
    Most of the map especially the extra mountain
    Prime Sieve

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    Do you think the disappearing black lines are a clue? I haven't figured out what or why but I think it was intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatlady View Post
    Do you think the disappearing black lines are a clue? I haven't figured out what or why but I think it was intentional.
    I don't know if it's intentional or not but it doesn't happen every time for me.....so I'm leaning more towards it not being something.

    Whatever the answers to the remaining puzzles are I think they will be straight forward and easy. I have over thought the way to figure out every puzzle so far.....on the pigpen the last word I tried was the obvious one, I turned a 10 minute solution into hours....on the hieroglyphs it was just adding vowels not really figuring out the real way to read the heiroglyphs, again wasted hours on something that should have taken me minutes.....same with the rest of the clues...all simple things so far....I think it's something easy and obvious that we just haven't thought to do yet.

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    If the Stones puzzle has in fact been enciphered by the method it appears to been, I will be disappointed. All other ciphers have at least been vaguely period specific to the book, but this one would not be.

    Also, you can definitely get something from the SATOR square, and more from the map. Whether there is more than the map than even that, I don't know.

    While I haven't solved it, you should notice something familiar about the Tetragrammaton grid ...

    @goatlady - I have no idea what you mean by disappearing black lines.
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    Well maybe it is just mine, but when I click on the Greek letter square and it appears the last two rows on the right are missing the verticle black line. Click again and they are there. I have done this over and over and it is always the same. I thought it meant something but I don't know what. Like I said maybe it is just my computor.

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    It looks to me that the author has got a big book of historical ciphers and just made one puzzle from each chapter. so we have one railfence, one bacon, one runes etc...
    in which case i'd expect to see one caesar shift, a straight monoalphabetic substitution, maybe a playfair(wrong period?), what others...the book in the index is Codebreakers by David Kahn, I think i'll order a copy.

    I'm intrigued by using the SATOR square - PATER NOSTER is hidden inside it, but that is a historical puzzle. For this puzzle is it overlaid onto something?

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    I'm not going to have much time to work on this hunt in the upcoming three weeks, so I've decided to note some observations that I've made.

    I think it's important to determine what, if anything, the images that accompany clues mean. If they are only window dressing, I would claim that it was bad planning by an author who claims no intentional red herrings.
    • Key: suggests a cipher or some critical piece of information
    • Mermaids: they have reflection symmetry
    • Baphomet: besides the connection to the novel, ???
    • Pots: the amphorae have links to the novel; there are 5, when there could have been 1 to 7 --- why?
    • Starfield: meaning of the star & planet???
    • Parchment: meaning of the tetragrammaton???; sieve of E. embedded in grid
    • Stones: these are the Great Mogul & Great Table illustrations of Tavernier
    • Sarcophagus: meaning of the skull & candle???
    • Map: 8 winds, connection to compass rose?; like the novel, map can be gridded with peaks in centers of grid squares --- use for this grille? connection to parchment?
    • Books: background image is Tavernier; remember to follow the golden rule
    • Rules: reason for jack of diamonds & warning sign? Both have connection to diamond shape; both have 180 deg rotation symmetry (the warning sign image is the image rotated 180 deg and superimposed on itself --- why go through all that trouble if most of it is going to be covered up, and of no importance?
    • Faq: Is the image of the mirror important? For that matter, are the other images not directly related to the image link "clues" important?

    Anyway, just some stuff to think about...
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    Bwahahaha! I just figured out what the mirror on the Faq page means. Boy, am I oblivious sometimes (ok, alot).
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