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    Two questions:

    I have been unable to find a reference to the name "Johannes Cellarius", the cartographer, that did not refer to "The Tavernier Stones". All other references are to Andreas Cellarius. For instance, the Harmonia Macrocosmica was written by Andreas Cellarius. Is Johannes a fictional character patterned after Andreas or was Cellarius known by two different first names?

    Question two is: "Is anyone else still working on this treasure hunt?"

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    1) I was going under the assumption that the name was fictional, but based on real names: Cellarius from Andreas Cellarius and Johannes possibly from Johannes Janssonius (who published Cellarius' Harmonia Macrocosmica). There is at least one other case where the author fictionalizes a real object. The Lorillard Tobacco Company exists in Lancaster, but not at the location given in the novel.

    2) I am still working on it, but much more casually than before. I am stuck on what to do with the Tetragrammaton clue. And I really don't want to go back to the novel to look for clues --- I thought it was torture enough the first time through. I know lots of people seemed to like it, but I found it abysmal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molnar View Post
    1) I was going under the assumption that the name was fictional, but based on real names: Cellarius from Andreas Cellarius and Johannes possibly from Johannes Janssonius (who published Cellarius' Harmonia Macrocosmica). There is at least one other case where the author fictionalizes a real object. The Lorillard Tobacco Company exists in Lancaster, but not at the location given in the novel.

    2) I am still working on it, but much more casually than before. I am stuck on what to do with the Tetragrammaton clue. And I really don't want to go back to the novel to look for clues --- I thought it was torture enough the first time through. I know lots of people seemed to like it, but I found it abysmal.
    OK, then, Johannes is probably modeled after Andreas, with the same last name.

    There is what looks like an old industrial building at the intersection where the alleged Lorillard Tobacco building is, but it probably has no relation to the company. There is a large Lorillard building elsewhere in Lancaster.

    If you read my post about the map, I mentioned that it is roughly the shape of the cemetery mentioned in the book. I live only about 45 minutes from there, so I could visit it, but I think it would yield little for the treasure hunt, although it may be interesting to look around.

    I, too have slowed down considerably with the treasure hunt, only because I have not found anything significant in quite a while.

    You haven't gotten the Tetragrammaton grid yet?

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    I doubt you would find anything useful at the graveyard, as that would really limit who could participate in the hunt.

    As for the Tetragrammaton grid, I understand the importance of the shaded squares, but I have found nothing beyond that, including a use for the squares/method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molnar View Post
    I doubt you would find anything useful at the graveyard, as that would really limit who could participate in the hunt.

    As for the Tetragrammaton grid, I understand the importance of the shaded squares, but I have found nothing beyond that, including a use for the squares/method.
    You are right about the cemetery, but I might just go there to check it out, once the weather gets a little cooler around here.

    By "importance of the shaded squares" do you mean you have successfully used them to uncover part of the message, or that they are obviously prime numbered squares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinus View Post
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    By "importance of the shaded squares" do you mean you have successfully used them to uncover part of the message, or that they are obviously prime numbered squares?
    The second choice.
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    in the book the map is used with a prime sieve starting at 1006 (if i remember). Perhaps the shaded squares on the teetragrammaton grid are an indication that we too need to use a prime sieve - where? well i expect the other lettererd grid - as several sieves are already applied to it and the letter split is so even. So do we also start with primes above a certain number mentioned in the book? - when i have time i'll write a program to try all possible numbers up to 10000 - and see if anything useful pops out.

    on other thing left to look at (i too have nothing much to suggest). is to look at the spacing of the phrases we have been given - why is the faq border phrase split into two parts - with some obvious words missing - wouldn't it have been easier to have the whole phrase?- is there anything in the length of the various bits we have been given.

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    I'm still working on this too but everything I have tried has been a dead end.....I'm unable to get any further without additional clues

    Johannes is fictional......atleast that's what I think I read from the author.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlssry View Post
    I'm still working on this too but everything I have tried has been a dead end.....I'm unable to get any further without additional clues

    Johannes is fictional......atleast that's what I think I read from the author.
    Yes, I think the Cellarius with first name Johannes is fictional.

    I don't think any additional clues with be forthcoming. After all, it is supposed to be difficult. If it were easy, anyone could solve it.

    I have extracted something that no one else seems to have gotten yet, but the rest is at least an order of magnitude harder. I still think there is a book cipher somewhere, but I cannot figure out the cipher text. Multiple levels of encryption? Likely.

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    (The prime sieve above 1000 idea above didn't work.)

    Once in a while I wonder where the words LIBRARY and MULTIPLIED, FIVE THOUSAND & STADIA are hidden, and what to do with IDLE?

    Looks like the author has left us in a hole........

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