# Thread: Torment: the blocks

1. Good Twelever Platinum
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just adding another idea to the mix
2 puters back, i remember, that there was not an east facing snail, even when you
turned jpg CW, or CCW,but their were east facing letters
NO east facing snail/see jpg yellow, east facing letters/see jpg, blue
anyway seems i wrote the east facing letters down, but i think i forgot about it, or lost interest,after the the dead puter and stolen puter.
blocks
http://tweleve.org/torment/22156-tor...tml#post450211

2. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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Originally Posted by Srial
"I can make the earth stop in it's tracks
I made the blue cars go away"

Blue cars? This puzzle has blue slugs.
Well well well, anyone remember TRY BLEW? The similarity of blue and blew are awfully similar when pronounced isn't it?

I think we might be up to something .

3. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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So glad to see people still working on this

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I'm very new to Torment, and having discovered the blocks independently, my first assumption is that it is a red herring.

The difficulty of the previous puzzle is not in-line at all with the progression of the hunt as a whole. It's simply too easy. This is the very essence of a red herring: something too obvious not to try.

On the other hand, it is a daunting and compelling riddle that absolutely begs to be solved. Even though its name suggests that it would fit this theme, it does not appear that the Playfair cipher is applicable to this problem.

I'm going to spend a few days on this, and I will be attempting a few techniques. Some of you may have tried these, but I am going to do them over. Redundancy in cryptography is absolutely the only way to eliminate previous mistakes or things overlooked.

First, I'm going to re-make a rotated circle map of the entire puzzle, treating each block as its own 'rune.' Then I will write it as a series of strings, starting from every logical (to me) starting point, with each string as a specific instance of the entire code. I will then make more instances of each of these strings, using (every possible) rune as an assigned "rotator," in each 90 degree increment.

I'll post here with each possible string I come up with.

After that I'll attempt to 'chunk' the information by trying combinations of character omissions that don't result in the entire string length as a prime number. Perhaps this will reveal spaces or associated blocks. I'll even search for omissions that could possibly result in the entire puzzle as a rectangle.
I'll post those results in a few days as well.

Another possibility is the cipher type used by W B Tyler. I don't even know where to begin. Any ideas?

This is probably another dead end but, if you look at the shadows between the blocks, some of it appears to be Morse or another form of binary. If you turn your head to the left and read from left to right, with some arbitrary character separation, you may notice a part that reads "adriet" or "adrieti" in Morse.

5. Getting the hang of it. Copper
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I have also considered this to be a red herring but the answers make sense up to this point. If I was asked which is the most likely to be a red herring I would have to say the previous one to stone henge (think it's escaliio). All of the previous puzzles solved had left a message for the reader and gave the code word. Beyond those the pattern stopped.

Trying to solve this is rather pointless. We need to identify what kind of puzzle it is to begin with so we can identify how it will be encoded.

Poe's second cipher and the one from the shadows seems to be the most likely 2 that this could be.

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I've spent a bunch of time at work (don't tell my boss) on this over the past couple weeks. In the end I have written a program that takes the blocks and performs frequency analysis on them. Then it takes the slugs as a shadow-like reference and starts rotating the blocks that come after in various ways and performs frequency analysis on each possible rotation.

Then I got creative and started programatically placing common words in every possible rotation to look for patterns that might lead to other words in my little dictionary. Basically I'm trying to combine the WB Tyler puzzle and shadow code into one giant code.

In the end my analysis is: this is insane and going nowhere. Not a single attempt gave me anything at all useful.

To even get started I have to make at least 5 different assumptions. What do the slugs mean? What do the rotations mean? What direction do we look at the puzzle? What direction do we read? and a few more that slip my mind right now. If I make one wrong assumption, I'll never find the answer.

I can code more and more of those assumptions into this but that magnifies the number of possible outputs I have to go through and once you start looking at a file of 400k lines of possible answers finding the right one is nearly impossible even if it's right in front of me.

I think we're down to one of three possibilities.

1) This problem is really THIS complex, in which case it's going to take someone of truly epic intellect to solve it with an equal amount of epic patience and determination. (WB Tyler had spaces at least for crying out loud.)

2) This problem is really just very obscure, in which case it's going to take someone who's either incredibly lucky with their guesses, or someone who's so creative they're going to make an 'obvious' leap of faith and connection most of us can't see.

3) This problem is so simple that we are all way over analyzing it or missing something basic (like a clue from a previous puzzle or something like the 'hebrew'.)

Or I suppose 4) this is a dead end, but I don't believe that for a number of reasons.

I won't say it's impossible, but it might just be impossible for me. If these blocks are of type 1 I think I give up. I'm going to go back to the drawing board and assume it's of type 2 or 3 and see where that takes me.

I'm sure the clues GG has given are all very helpful if you already know the answer and can go back and say 'Oh yeah, that's what that meant, it's obvious now', but otherwise I think they're just causing us to spin our wheels.

Whoever eventually braniac's out/lucks into/or cons their way into a solution you have my respect.

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Regarding the first puzzle with the Hebrew text, I read somebody trying to read it upside-down and saw that it appeared similar to English writing. I studied it for a bit, and tried the url it looked like, deinul.(cco/ceo/seo/sgo).org (it's kinda hard to tell what it says in there), and found that it leads to actual websites that appear to have real updates with real content.

I'm not sure if any of those sites are actually leads for the Torment puzzle at large, but it is intriguing at least that the fake Hebrew led to real websites.

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Just putting my two cents in, but Green Gecko's "nine, ten" posts sounded kind of like he was playing hide and seek, especially with the whole "child" theme. Don't know if that helps at all, but this puzzle has been killing me for over a year and following this thread keeps giving me hope.

9. Originally Posted by playful_shadow
Just putting my two cents in, but Green Gecko's "nine, ten" posts sounded kind of like he was playing hide and seek, especially with the whole "child" theme. Don't know if that helps at all, but this puzzle has been killing me for over a year and following this thread keeps giving me hope.
When he posted "nine", his post count was at 9, and when he posted "ten" his post count turned to 10. 10 posts allows him to PM people on Tweleve. I think he PM'd the "messenger," shortly after that. It is possible the messenger is now inactive, gone missing...or decided not to share what was given them in the PM.

I posted a thanks to him shortly after the 9 10 posts, because I sensed something was coming, but that hasn't arrived yet.

10. Originally Posted by sslug
Possum was the chosen messenger before. Are we still referring to him or is there a new chosen one? (Wow, that was all the way back in August 2007.)

http://tweleve.org/452017-post53.html
Originally Posted by greengecko
Originally Posted by possum652
I sent him a pm on his forum a few days ago requesting he visit us and leave us a hint...
as my chosen messenger insight perhaps unnoticed by others awaits you...
Possum is potentially the chosen messenger. Haven't seen Possum on in a while...Tweleve says Possum was on 4 weeks ago. And Gecko's post about the messenger was three weeks ago.