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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondAlgo View Post
    Though, always with the directional code I keep thinking in the back of my head "why am I using a circle-puzzle solving method on some BLOCKS..."
    Ha yes me too! Particularly as the first Geocache block puzzle didn't make a clear link to The Shadow.
    Still, Knocka's approach just described above doesn't strictly even require a knowledge of the circle cipher so we can watch his progress on that one with interest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knocka View Post
    Colours: there are basically two colours but the shading varies.
    Quote Originally Posted by tripitaka View Post
    In regard to colours, there is no ambiguity - all letters are printed in either red or black.
    There are four colors in the blocks:
    A, E, J, N, R, V, Z
    B, F, G, K, O, S, W
    C, H, L, P, T, X, rabbit
    D, I, M, Q, U, Y


    It is easier to check against the image where the colors haven't been muted in processing: http://www.oldfashionedblocks.com/abcsinglesdisplay.jpg



    I'm guessing knocka must be using Tweleve Lite; black type on my standard grey background is hard to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by knocka View Post
    Colours: there are basically two colours but the shading varies.
    Quote Originally Posted by tripitaka View Post
    In regard to colours, there is no ambiguity - all letters are printed in either red or black.
    There are four colors in the blocks:
    A, E, J, N, R, V, Z
    B, F, G, K, O, S, W
    C, H, L, P, T, X, rabbit
    D, I, M, Q, U, Y
    Oh yes hehe its been a few months since I looked at the original photo. Still it seems (on my PC display at least) that Grngecko has deliberately photoshopped the letters in the puzzle to beome either black or red which strikes me as possibily significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripitaka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondAlgo View Post
    Though, always with the directional code I keep thinking in the back of my head "why am I using a circle-puzzle solving method on some BLOCKS..."
    Ha yes me too! Particularly as the first Geocache block puzzle didn't make a clear link to The Shadow.
    Still, Knocka's approach just described above doesn't strictly even require a knowledge of the circle cipher so we can watch his progress on that one with interest!
    I too agree! D:

    basically I'm thinking maybe the 'circle -puzzle' is more of a stepping stone or hint as opposed to an actual means of directly solving the puzzle...

    With that behind me, I shall begin the search and trial for possible significance of colours, as so decreed by the other forum cats XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslug View Post

    I'm guessing knocka must be using Tweleve Lite; black type on my standard grey background is hard to read.
    You guessed correctly, and much of the time I have been working from a printed copy - black and white.

    I haven't had any time at all to look at those blocks since my last post, but I have been able to think about them. I think it is likely to be the logic in developing the circle code (groups of 4 where orientation distinguishes one symbol from the next) and not the source of the blocks themselves which is important. Hence, I don't think four colours of block letters would be relevant.

    It also means that I would not continue with my first suggestion for forming seven groups, but would take either groups which match the circle cipher itself (A, B, C, D) (G, H, I, J)...with (E, F, rabbit) as one group, or just groups following the alphabet (A, B, C, D) (E, F, G, H)... with (Y, Z, rabbit) as a group. The reference to Child's Play could lead us to The Shadow and hence to the circle cipher.

    Grouping in this way would lead to the four blocks A, B, C, D with normal orientation each representing the same "letter", A, B, C, D upside down would represent another "letter". Hmm, it would be a time-consuming task, but I think it shows some promise. Time will tell.

    I think it would be worthwhile experimenting on that smaller group of blocks.

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    That all makes good sense Knocka.
    If you are right, and depending on how far GG has deviated from the letter groupings in the circle cipher, the easiest way to crack this could be to look for a set of 4 letters which appear at regular(ish) intervals in an identical orientation (ie, the set of "space" characters).

    I can't really see any such sets which makes me worry that either there aren't any "space" characters (which could make this a tough nut to crack) or that the rabbits aren't part of the alphabet but just act to rotate the orientations of the subsequent blocks (which would be an annoyance but still manageble). In any case I will rest easy knowing that there are far better minds than mine working on this!

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    "set of 4 letters" above should have read
    "set of (up to) 4 letters"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tormented View Post
    Egads! 24 more blocks and 15 numbers to go with them
    24 blocks - 4 pairs, 20 different.

    I've been at those 24 blocks and made the assumption that there would have been no obvious link there to the circle cipher. Therefore, I just used 7 groups of (A B C D) (E F G H) (I J K L)... (Y Z Rab) and 4 orientations. That reduced the 24 to 16 different kinds. I've numbered them to show which ones "match" in the sense of being in the same group and the same orientation. There is ambiguity with the N's and also with the I. The colours are just to show which blocks belonged to the same group. Next task - try to find letters for the 16 symbols to result in something meaningful, or come to the conclusion that this is not the way to go. (Check for errors.)


    Fourth column: 16, 15, 14, 6, 5, 11
    Third column: 11, 12, 13, 14, 4, 15
    Second column: 7, 2, 8, 9, 10, 6
    First column: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6



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    Hmm with such a short message you don't have the luxury of spotting space characters (and so 1/2/3 letter words) so you'd need a pretty decent clue in order to move forward on that one... maybe "fuch" tells us all we need to know but its meaningless to me.

    There's also the problem that such a short message may only be coordinate numbers coded as letters which adds a layer of difficultly... and there's the other troubling thought that if orientations are a feature of these puzzles then the rabbits may still be acting as rotators.

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    Well, I have figured out that "fuch" is for Fairly Useless Cryptic Hint.

    (It's the name of the puzzle where those blocks were posted in a log, but might also be what it is for us.)

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