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    Pass two friends of octave
    In December
    Ride the man of oz
    To the land near the window
    There's a road that leads to
    Dark forest
    Where white is in color
    With two maps
    After circle and square
    In July and August
    A path beckons
    To mica and driftwood
    Under that
    Which may be last touched
    Or first seen standing
    Look north at the wing
    And dig
    To achieve
    By dauntless and inconquerable
    Determination
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    current beliefs....not concrete:

    ROANOKE ISLAND - ELIZABETHAN GARDENS

    -octave = Wright Brother's mentor Octave Chanute http://invention.psychology.msstate....ug22-1901.html

    Roanoke Island just across the harbor from Kitty Hawk, Kill Devils Hill & the Wright Memorial

    -inscription on memorial: "Achieved by dauntless resolution and unconquerable faith.”
    http://www.nasm.si.edu/wrightbrother...1932/index.cfm

    -Elizabethan Gardens regularly referred to as "dark forest": http://www.elizabethangardens.org/gardenhistory.aspx as well as on the sign at the park's main entrance.


    all seems pretty solid

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    ooops....

    map of Roanoke Island and Kitty Hawk:

    http://www.themefifty.com/images/map2.gif
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    Hi Fox, I think you might be right about Roanoke Island, although I am still not sure about the Elizabethan Gardens. The verse starts...."PASS two friends of octave". Although not capitalized, Octave Chanute played an important role in the Wright brothers' success. Their plane, the Kitty Hawk, was designed after Chanute's bi-plane.

    The verse then says, "In December". December 17, 1903 Wilbur flew for 12 seconds a distance of 120 feet.

    Then, "Ride the man of oz". I must admit this one had me befuddled for quite some time. I kept repeating the line over and over again. Then it hit me....RIDE. I lived on the outer banks and sometimes the only way to get from point A to point B is the Ferry. There is a ferry named the THOMAS L. BAUM. Baum started the Roanoke Ferry Co. in 1926. He also met the Wright brothers when he was around 17. The Thomas L. Baum is a Ferry that goes from Ocracoke to Hatteras. (It is a coincidence that the author of the Oz series of books was named L. Frank Baum. Maybe this is the connection of the two names). I'm still trying to find out if this ferry goes to Manteo, where the Gardens are, or if this is just a reference to the Ferrys in general.

    "There's a road that leads to Dark forest" The inscription there reads, "Down the centuries, English women have built gardens, to the glory of God, the beauty of the countryside and the comfort of their souls. The women of The Garden Club of North Carolina, Inc. have planted this garden in memory of the valiant men and women who founded the first English colony in America. From this hallowed ground on Roanoke Island, they walked away through the dark forest and into history."

    "Where white is in color". When Sir Walter Raleigh sailed again to the New World in 1585, among the people on one of the seven ships was Thomas White, an artist, whose job was to record everything they could. Turning a plain white canvass or paper into colorful fauna, flora and natives????

    Several lines down it says, "In July and August". As far as I have been able to find there is nothing special that happens during those two months in that area. No special festivals, events, etc. These two months are probably the best in the gardens, you know, all the flowers in bloom and such. There is a boat building tournament in July However, I did find out that Orville Wright was born August 19, 1871. And Virginia Dare was born August 18, 1587. Relevant? I don't know. Still trying to find relevance to July.

    Two lines down, "To mica and driftwood". North Carolina leads the United States in Mica production, though none along the coast; although there is a lot of driftwood on the barrier Islands. Maybe just a reference to the state.

    Six lines later, "To achieve/By dauntless and inconquerable/Determination". The Wright Brothers Memorial Pylon or Granite Shaft (whichever you prefer) reads, "In commemoration of the conquest of the air by the brothers Wilbur and Orville Wright. Conceived by genius. Achieved by dauntless resolution and unconquerable faith." Too close not to be the Memorial or at least in the general vicinity of the Outer Banks or Roanoke Island.

    Sorry this post is so long, I do tend to ramble!!!! Vitta

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    Wilbur was born April 16th, 1867..... no July there.

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    possible stretches for July & August leading to the Elizabethan Gardens:

    -1960
    The Elizabethan Gardens has a ceremony and formally opens on August 18, Virginia Dare's birthday.

    -1966
    On July 13th the new Gatehouse is completed and opened as the new entrance to The Elizabethan Gardens.

    so... July- you enter the E Gardens through the main gate that has the inscription of "dark forest"
    & August - you procede towards the Virgina Dare statue http://image05.webshots.com/5/9/90/4...4OibUFL_ph.jpg
    while following a "beckoning path"




    If thats not right...then what do we have? The only thing "in" July & August is the "U". jUly & aUgUst. Is there a "U" shaped something nearby?

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    Most of this verse has already been deciphered over on the Q4T forum. The July-August bit most likely refers to the first line of a granite marker at the trailhead in Ft. Raleigh:

    "On this site in July - August 1585..."
    "...it may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma of the kind which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve."

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    sorry FB, forgot about that tie in.

    jeez, felt like you were implying that I need to read up on Q4T..as if I had never been there before.

    still think its safe to toss about other possible ideas until one is proven and confirmed by a successful dig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fox

    still think its safe to toss about other possible ideas until one is proven and confirmed by a successful dig.
    I think that fresh eyes in this hunt are invaluable. Currently there are only 2 right answers (Chicago and Cleveland). Everything else is a possibility. I don't think there is a "Gospel Truth" right now.

    FB- please don't criticize these threads for not containing exactly what the Q4T threads contain. We're not trying to recreate the wheel, but there is some value in avoiding group think and reopening eyes to possibilities.

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    I would agree with FB that the granite marker is quite solid.

    The only other thought I have had recently pertains to the sunken garden. When looking at this garden and it's quadrants there are 4 statues, Apollo, Diana, Jupiter, and Venus. One in each quadrant.

    Since there are four paths out of the garden by specifying two statues one could give directions on which path to take. In this case August, July would represent Apollo, Jupiter so you would take the path between the two.


    Apollo___________ _____________Jupiter
    l l
    l l
    l l
    l l
    l l


    l l
    l l
    l l
    l l
    l l
    Venus___________ ______________Diana


    Like I mentioned above the marker seems a much better fit but I did want to throw this out there.

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