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    Default Verse #12 - Chicago

    SOLVED - Chicago, Grant Park
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    Where M and B are set in stone
    And to Congress, R is known
    L sits and left
    Beyond his shoulder
    Is the Fair Folks'
    Treasure holder
    The end of ten by thirteen
    Is your clue
    Fence and fixture
    Central too
    For finding jewel casque
    Seek the sounds
    Of rumble
    Brush and music
    Hush.

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    There are many facets to these puzzles. Something I think intended for the keen observer is the hint for the state of Illinois.

    Take the pertaining letter clues: M B R L

    They aren't in order. Three words near the end of the verse start with three of the letters: Rumble, Brush, Music = R B M.

    If M (Mozart), B (Beethoven), and R (Roosevelt) are intended to correspond to Music, Brush, and Rumble respectively, then it would seem the L (Lincoln) corresponds to Hush.

    L + Hush = L + noise = Illinois.

    The key is the sounds of RUMBLE are those letters R M B L and the short vowell sound of the U. Next consider the sounds of BRUSH, MUSIC, and HUSH. BRUSH = short U, Music = long U, Hush = short U. MUSIC is a word of special importance because it's the one that sounds different.

    Playing with the letters gives us the following: MUSIC = MUCIS, sounds like "mucus". I think this same method applies to the word CELTIC = ILECTC = "elect" + ic. A connection must be found between "mucus" and "elect".

    The LotJ gives us "Brilliant as eyes, Celtic emerald, cold morning green." The last three words all may relate to the quality of being or looking ill: common cold, morning sickness, looking green. COMPLEXION is a word used to describe the quality of how someone looks. COMPLEXION rhymes with ELECTION.

    There certainly seems to be a connection to ELECTION given the references to Roosevelt and Lincoln. Then we have Grant. I wonder if there's something more. Consider the word COMPLEXION. COMPLEX + ION. In chemistry a "complex ion" is known as a coordinated complex of a metal ion/atom at the center (Central too) of a structure bound by ligands (Fence and fixture). This is nodoubt wackadoo to everyone given the sway of Mozart to Lincoln to a Fence and Train and then this strange talk of being sick followed by some erudite topic in chemistry...but restrain your Occamsian point of view and take an imaginative step if proper nudging is to be found. The jump to chemistry is extremely subtle if that. Perhaps MUSIC = CIMUS = "chemis" + try. There's not much else to squeeze out of those five letters, but maybe we do have some wacky MUSIC = "chemis" and/or "mucus" letter/sound combinational idea at play. Ugg...it boggles my mind.

    What if "The end of ten by thirteen" doesn't solely refer to a "10x13" grid. As it is common lingo to take the word "by" as meaning "x", I think it might also be considered as meaning "any operation". I could say divide 100 by 4, in which case the "by" would mean the "/" symbol. I could say subtract 50 by 15, meaning the "by" is a "-" symbol. I think the "by" in this case could also be a "+", and so the end of ten by thirteen is simply saying "10 + 13 = ?".

    23 The 23rd letter of the alphabet is W. W is also an element on the periodic table. A metal known as Tungsten (Wolfram). It was patented in 1913 in it's application to the light bulb by William Coolidge. Coolidge is also the name of an elected President.

    So what's the goal in all this? We've followed Roosevelt and Lincoln into Grant Park...now Coolidge and his light bulb? Cool...cold...

    I still wonder if the point of the puzzle is to lead us to a spot where lamp fixtures are aligned in such a way that the exact dig spot would be revealed.
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    I've switched to this:
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    The Litany of the Jewels refers to emerald as "cold morning green", because there must've been an electrical ground marker to help define the location. The color white is reserved for the cold wire, and green is reserved for ground in most electrical applications.

    The symbol for ground is also an upside down letter T, shaped like an L and reversed L together. I think its fair to acknowledge the Chicago finders didnt find all the clues in the solution, since they were assisted by Byron Preiss, which is why its important to be careful to avoid the fallacy of comparing what was achieved in Chicago or Cleveland when validating efforts to solve any of the other puzzles.
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    I still feel like I dont understand this verse. After jumping around from one spark of an idea to another I feel Ive carelessly jumped off the path.

    I do believe everyone has missed something vitally important in how these puzzles work. Chicago gives us a chance to understand that missing element.

    The big question I have relates to how do we resolve the ten by thirteen line as a measurement of "feet". According to Brian Zinn, Byron Preiss said it was feet, but how are we to know that from the clues in the verse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by erexere View Post
    I still feel like I dont understand this verse. After jumping around from one spark of an idea to another I feel Ive carelessly jumped off the path.

    I do believe everyone has missed something vitally important in how these puzzles work. Chicago gives us a chance to understand that missing element.

    The big question I have relates to how do we resolve the ten by thirteen line as a measurement of "feet". According to Brian Zinn, Byron Preiss said it was feet, but how are we to know that from the clues in the verse?

    Maybe, by reasonable US standards, a person would use the most common (inches, feet, yards) but only one would fit or make logical sense once on location. In general, close proximity "inches" puts a person digging into roots, footer concrete slabs or wires/pipes/rebar associated with a man-made object or barrier. Yards can get tricky if the number 4 to 12 feet as you'd need to get your line baring pretty exact from start to probable end point or, other azimuth. Feet seems pretty likely and a most commonly thought out device for measure, in my opinion. It would be the first thing I would try if a location, start point and associative 'number" were involved.
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    Perhaps it is something we can assume, given that inches/feet are the US standard, but I'm not ready to settle on it being left to assumption just yet.

    There's some evidence as far as the way the poem is structured to suggest there's some letter rearrangement and word association possibilities. I've dabbled with a couple ideas bearing on the use of the letters M B R L and even the word CELTIC (relates to ELECT or ELECTRIC), as they might be part of a guessing game. I've also tried to unravel some possibilities associated with the Litany of the Jewels. In this case it refers to Emerald as a "cold morning green".

    I think "cold" could relate to electric wiring in that there's a standard in recognizing the HOT wires and the COLD/grounded wires. The color green is even reserved for ground in most cases.

    Another consideration, something I've just recently come across is that the word "green" might also associate with a type of open green space that would be commonly found in the middle of a village. Given that this is the May puzzle, and May associates with festivals like "May Day", I am reminded of the phrase "May Fay" or is it spelled "May Fete"? In that case a FETE might be part of some elaborate implication. Perhaps this puzzle is seen more as a "Party Invitation". We're being told to "Hush" because the "party" might get a little loud...I'd be loud too if I found the Chicago casque...WOOT!

    Who klnows, maybe the word FETE is needed if our minds are to interpret a rearrangemnt for the word FEET in the same way letters ELCT can be arranged to form CELTIC, ELECT, ELECTRIC. Or is it just my mind wanting to fill in coincidental gaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by erexere View Post
    Or is it just my mind wanting to fill in coincidental gaps?

    E, all our minds do this. You are thinking and that's the most crucial thing.


    I'd consider that treasure hunting has taught me - more than any other thing in life - to be a realist with myself and, to truly know the extent of my capabilities mentally and, in some ways, physically. Emotion control...hmmmm?


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