Thread: Back to Basics for Clue Three

1. Since there are 19 flower pairs I've always wanted to remove 19 letters from the 10x10 to leave 81 (9x9). After that is when I'd rather try for a solution with the remaining letters. Nothing I've looked at was promising until now.

Thinking about other things led me to consider what would happen if Clue 3's grid was rearranged using base-9 math instead of our normal base-10. It's not difficult, really---but the upshot is, 81 in normal numbers equals 100 in base-9. Reconfiguring the grid in base-9 eliminates 19 letters. Specifically, these are 9, 19, 29, 39, 49, 59, 69, 79, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99.

I numbered the grid 1-thru-100, and eliminated the above 19 letters. Hate to be confusing, but I numbered the columns and rows 0-thru-9. Eliminating the above numbers wipes out column 8 (the 9th column across), and the bottom row, with the exception of letter #100 (L). Also, number 90 (the letter D in the last column) is struck out, which makes room for the letter number 100.

I guess I'll type it out---

-- 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9
0 A T S A S E G E E
1 D Q L N U A E O H
2 V O N V A M M L I
3 E N R K E S S L E
4 N H A I R S T F T
5 T E T N S U W E I
6 U G A F R L R A O
7 R Y D U E B R S I
8 E G C E T W E I L

So notice column 8 is gone, row 9 is gone (except for the last letter, L), and the 90th letter D is gone from column 9.

In the Clue 3 grid, the broken row lines are nonetheless thicker and bolder than the unbroken column lines. This, I believe, means that the thicker, bolder stem in each flower pair denotes the row, and the thinner stem is the column. All is well and good until we get down to flower pair numbers 11 and 14, which both have 9-petaled blossoms on a thick stem. I don't have a row 9 anymore. Sigh.

Perchprism

2. good try

Perch,

Good try with a new idea.

Just when you think that there are no new
ways to look at this grid, someone comes
up with a unique "take" on this clue.
Maybe it will spark a solution before the
end of the year.
AP

3. Have you tried doing this the other way around, using the thicker, bolder stem for the column and the thinner stem for the row? I was thinking the thicker, bolder stem would denote the column, not the row. One reason why I think this is because the grid's top and bottom edge (where the column numbers would go left to right) is drawn a lot thicker and bolder than the vertical border edge (where the row numbers would go top to bottom).

Just off the top of my head, this rearranged base-9 grid looks interesting because of two things--(1 It gets rid of the "R" at the end of "ADVENTURE". Somehow, that "R" never seems to belong at the end of that word. (2 The 5th column now contains just the letters for "treasures", without the "P" hanging on at the end. I always thought the "treasures" scrambled in the 5th column looked like more than coincidence.

4. hello, Spiggan.

I'm at work, so I don't have my stuff, but I think there's a logical inconsistency with changing the column/stems as you suggest. It's with the 'bud' and 9-petaled blossoms. Both types have both thick and thin stems. I'll look at it again, though, when I get home.

Perchprism