# Thread: Back to Basics for Clue Three

1. Rusty et al,

I agree that the letter distribution is not by chance. However, and I expect that some may disagree here, I don't believe that Stadther's choice to have this kind of distribution in the absence of a cryptogram would be cruel. It would be reasonable for him to make the grid have at least one of each letter to be able to spell out any possible phrase. Then, since the remaining squares need to be filled in somehow, why not fill it in with more-or-less standard English letter frequencies? It wouldn't just be an arbitrary choice...clogging up a grid with too many X's and Q's might make the solution letters 'stand out' more, making a reverse-solve a bit easier. (That last part is a stretch and I know it, but what the heck)

Either way is certainly conceivable and, without a solution, is unverifiable. But my instinct is still that the solution will be a string of 19 letters defined by petal-numbered coordinate pairs. I'll bet a dollar on it.

Does anyone remember the timing of clue #3 in relation to where the contest stood at that time? I think it might have been around the time of Pook as the only remaining token, so here's a thought:

The coordinates for the Pook solve could not have been more obvious...like the petals in clue #3, they were staring us in the face on the backs of those mushrooms. The key to the solve was in ordering the shrooms correctly (based on height). I wouldn't be surprised if the solution to clue #3 required ordering the coordinate pairs based on some feature (the colors?) and then using that order to spell out a 19 letter phrase on the grid.

Hopefully someday soon we'll get to see the answer.

2. Let's pretend for a moment that the petals do indicate coordinates, that (0,0) indicates the A in the top left corner, and that (9,9) would indicate the L on the bottom right corner. If this were correct, I like the way that no coordinate pair has a '0' for the second number, meaning that the ADVENTURER column is left alone. That kinda feels right.

In alphabetical order, the petals would give us the letters AAACEEEELMNQSSTTTTU. I'm not a fan of random anagraming (although it seems like Rusful was found using this very method), but intriguing words like SEQUENCE and SEQUEL can be made with this group. Given the underwhelming utility of his other clues (no red herrings, etc.), a clue that announces a sequel seems possible.

3. I thought it would be helpful to visualize the letter frequency distribution.

4. ## Clue 3

I still contend that everything on that page will be an indication of what we must do to solve this thing. I think everything must be taken into consideration. I personally will give considerable time to looking at a solve when I see the following used together to crack Clue 3. I don't think we can ignore anything on the page.

1. The Colors and/or arrangements of the Petals.
2. The Leaf and/or Stem arrangements or sizes, etc.
3. The direction and/or insertion of the word ADVENTURER
4. The 100 letter Grid itself.

There is a missing part to this whole puzzle. We are not getting it. We may have to pair this with some other type of puzzle such as a Scrabble game, a Rubics cube, or some other puzzle we have not discussed. Remember Zac makes wooden puzzles. Or possibly it will be tied to a particular page the Treasure's Trove book.

When this came out, Pook was not discovered. So we do not know its relevance to anything else or not. Just my opinion, which doesn't count for much in the grand scheme of things.

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Another thing I have tried- maybe this has been done before and I am repeating, is to remove letters indicated by the flower petals. Then use the remaining letters to either complete a word search or somehow spell out something.

Needless to say, this didnt work well. One reason was one letter was repeated- so that methodology seems flawed.

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I tried using the first letter from each word in paragraph one of the YNOF, Flower Faeries, which has exactly 100 words, and crossed them out on clue 3. Too many of the same left over letters.

7. I have been focused on one area of this puzzle but not having much luck.
Look at the right side that has the four flowers. Then look at the top flower. The stems on that flower connect and then have a vertical line at the bottom.

This vertical line looks just like the letter "I" in the puzzle. It is the same height and is right next to a block that contains the letter "I".

This may be a key or starting point. I have tried using the petal counts and colors to arrive at the block containing the "I" with no luck.

Any other ideas what this may mean?

Garbers*5

8. Anybody else seen the movie Glengarry Glen Ross?

I feel like I'm just dying to get my hands on the new leads, the good leads (i.e. the new book, new clues, new puzzles). Instead I've got nothing to work with but these stale, dead-end clues. In the unlikely event that one of us can close the deal with the old leads (i.e. solve clue#3 or #4), there's nothing of substance to be gained. Of course, the joy is in the puzzle-solving itself, but...

At least I know there are other souls in puzzle-limbo who are suffering from the same affliction.

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Calvin I know the boss has been giving you the good leads and you are going to get the Cadillac...

If only I could get the good leads...

Haf

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Tried also to do a Grille Cipher- rotating the boz every 90 degrees and removing the letters indicated by the flowers every turn (19 for each turn). Did not find a meaningful grouping of residual letters that would be of any use but here they are - maybe someone else will find meaning:

Y/X (Going by rows top to bottom):
TGEE
DLUOH
VONVL
EKSSL
IX
EW
AFRRO
YRNI
EWID
AJSZ

X/Y(Going by rows top to bottom):
TASE
DLAOH
OMLI
RKESE
HT
NW
UFLRA
RYUN
ETID
AEZ

Butkis again

Haf